Hi Tito, Thanks for the clarification from the part of CIS-A2K.
It is clear now from your reply, that the WMIN president sent a request to CIS-A2K to support for his participation in Wikimania and CIS-A2K responded positively as this was an official request from an affiliate representative, I guess. By the way, did he mention the cause of his participation as an WMIN representative in the same conference, where already 2 EC members got full scholarship to attend. Like my first mail, I am still having the question, what extra value was targeted to be added in the conference by WMIN president, which could not have been achieved by the 2 EC members and and thus came the dire necessity to send another member with donation money? Thanks, Bodhisattwa On Fri, 3 Aug 2018, 12:42 Tito Dutta, <trulyt...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > I, on behalf of CIS-A2K would like to clarify our position regarding Mr. > Rahul Deshmukh/WMIN representative's participation in Wikimania 2018. > > We unconditionally apologise for not sending out information to community > and mailing lists about this support extended by A2K. > > We received an official email from WMIN representative requesting support > towards participation. This email thread was addressed to Program Manager > of A2K, and was copied to WMIN EC. CIS-A2K extended its support based on > this request. > > We assure that we will maintain transparency with our future communication. > > > > > Thanks > Tito Dutta > Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to remind > me over email or phone call. > > > On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 at 10:00, Asaf Bartov <abar...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> Certainly, we can wait. But please understand I did not assert WMIN (or >> anyone) needs to apologize. Please reread and you'll find I posed it in a >> conditional, as *one* possible outcome of resolving Bodhisattwa's concern. >> I also described another possible scenario. >> >> A. >> >> On Aug 3, 2018 06:21, "Abhinav srivastava" <abhinav...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hello Asaf, >> >> In consent with my last mail on the thread, please be assured, no >> discussion whatsoever will take place until WMIN replies to the concerns, >> the community takes its time to question, inspect and interrogate the >> matter. Yes, all other issues will be raised on a separate thread and in >> good spirit only after this matter is resolved. As Subhashish pointed out, >> the issue is not about one person or an institution but bettering the >> process. That is essentially the reason they had been brought up. >> >> Asaf, It is always nice to hear from you. You have always followed the >> Indian community closely and helped it in whatever way. We all appreciate >> that. I would look forward to hearing about the better methodological >> processes of debates and discussions on resolving community matter. This >> would also help us in the future course. The Indian community is >> progressing in resolving its disputes in a peaceful and coherent manner and >> we wish to learn more of this. >> >> In continuity with my second paragraph, it would be great if you guide us >> on this. This would make the community inclusive and self-sustaining. I am >> not very happy that when the matter is sub-judice in the people's court, >> you holding WMF office, is talking about on ways WMIN can apologize. To >> re-iterate, provide us with methodological solutions and leave the >> community to decide. >> >> Also, I am not sure since you holding WMF office should advise about >> distractions.concerning the second point clearly deals with conflicts in >> Wikimedia Foundation policy. Of course, the platform could be a reason and >> for that, we will make sure we do not jump across topics. In fact, when we >> move ahead on those issues (only after resolving the principal problem) I >> would encourage you to be a participant (representing WMF). There are few >> essentially questions concerning few community members regarding WMF >> policies which I may share with you personally, whatever you find >> appropriate can be further asked on the community mailing list. >> >> At last, I have spoken to different EC members. Two EC members have also >> written to me stating that they will reply about WMIN stand. They have >> assured me that they will reply as soon as possible. As a past EC member, I >> would like to tell, finalizing a WMIN stand takes some time since EC >> members need to discuss, deliberate and then provide to their consent. As >> you all are aware unlike CIS-A2K or WMF, Wikimedia India is a voluntary >> organization, EC has his/her own personal life (own office work etc), hence >> at times, it takes some time. However, a reply will follow-up very shortly. >> >> To sum up, no more discussions please, let's stick on the principal >> query, please. >> >> Abhinav >> >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 2:33 AM Asaf Bartov <abar...@wikimedia.org> wrote: >> >>> Folks, >>> >>> As an outside observer, may I encourage everyone to try to keep this one >>> thread about its one, original topic? Abhinav, I found your responses >>> defensive and distracting -- listing other issues and other groups about >>> which concerns can be raised is a very poor response to *this* concern >>> raised on this thread. By all means, raise those concerns if you want to >>> pursue them (rather than merely use them as distraction on this thread), >>> *in a separate thread*. >>> >>> I encourage the WMIN EC, which is the body accountable to its membership >>> and to the broader communities in India, to address Bodhisattwa's concern >>> directly and politely, as befits an organization aiming to be >>> representative of the entire movement in India. *Please* don't respond >>> with bluster, nor with [[whataboutism]]. If there was some poor governance >>> or inappropriate decision-making involved here, just own up to it, >>> apologize[1], and commit to doing better. Everybody would appreciate you >>> for doing the right thing. >>> >>> If the appearance Bodhisattwa's concern responds to is *incorrect*, by >>> all means, calmly respond with the facts as they are and demonstrate to the >>> community that there is nothing to be concerned about. Also reflect on how >>> that appearance was created despite everything being okay, and what can, >>> and should, be done to prevent such appearances in the future. Thinking >>> about this, and sharing your conclusions, would also, I dare say, be >>> welcomed by the community on this mailing list. >>> >>> I look forward to this matter resolving peacefully one way or another, >>> but please, let us stick to the substance of *this* thread on this thread, >>> and let us be fair and honest and avoid manipulative arguments and >>> insinuations. >>> >>> Warmly, >>> >>> Asaf >>> >>> [1] may I humble offer an essay I once wrote on the power of apologies >>> for our movement? it is here: >>> >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/So_you%27ve_made_a_mistake_and_it%27s_public... >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 3:01 PM Abhinav srivastava <abhinav...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Bodhisattwa, >>>> >>>> The first line of the mail which at 12:02 by Indian Standard Time, you >>>> stated, "I understand you are felling bad with my tone....I am sorry" . >>>> >>>> Apologies for getting this statement wrong, If I have. >>>> >>>> I would say, let us first address the point 1 which concerns response >>>> from WMIN. Other things can be put on *hold* and discussed, >>>> subsequently. I hope you would be in consent with this. >>>> >>>> I have received your mail concerning your Wikimania trip and >>>> allegations. I would like to re-iterate, neither then nor today, Wikimedia >>>> India pays any attention to those allegations. To my understanding (since I >>>> am not EC) Wikimedia India continues to have full faith in you. >>>> >>>> Rest assured, please be cautious, you are sending a little too many >>>> emails. I understand at times such issues happen but try and address them >>>> together. This would otherwise lead to spamming. >>>> >>>> Abhinav >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 5:15 PM Bodhisattwa Mandal < >>>> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Abhinav, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1. Now that Bodhisattwa has acknowledged on his inappropriate >>>>>> tone and it can be believed he would be a caution for future onwards and >>>>>> since the issue is in public domain, I would urge Wikimedia India to >>>>>> respond on this. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sorry missed this part, >>>>> >>>>> Where have I acknowledged that my tone was inappropriate? I only said >>>>> that, if you feel that the tone was not approprate, then I am sorry. To >>>>> me, >>>>> my tone and my question are absolutely ok. Along with many others, I have >>>>> noticed a discrepancy and asked about the reason it in open mailing list, >>>>> so that everything remains transparent. I had to name the person involved, >>>>> otherwise the question seemed to be vague and meaningless. Everything I >>>>> said in my first e-mail was hard fact, almost everyone from India >>>>> participating in the conference knew about it and had the same question in >>>>> mind. If my (and others) question is invalid, then why there is no >>>>> response >>>>> from WMIN, refuting everything after 6 days? >>>>> >>>>> So, instead of diverting the topic, if we stick to and discuss the >>>>> topic in which the thread was initiated, that would be great. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Bodhisattwa >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >
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