Thank You Asaf Bartov for writing back!
On Fri 14 Sep, 2018, 3:33 PM Asaf Bartov, <abar...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Wikimedia India is an Indian organization, and the Wikimedia Foundation > does not have a say in its internal governance. It does, of course, have > great *influence*, insofar as it is historically its biggest funder, and in > that it can revoke its recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate. I state this > just for clarity, so that no one is confused about WMF's role in this > discussion. This is a matter for Wikimedia India and the communities in > India which it exists to serve, and not a WMF matter. > > However, since you ask me directly, Abhinav, yes, I think this public > inquiry (which was brought up respectfully and patiently, and only became > shrill because of *your* ad hominem responses) is perfectly acceptable, and > an office bearer's accountability is a duty that cannot be argued away by > invoking "privacy". Rahul's travel was not private, but made *as* an office > bearer, and there can be no privacy concern about it. > > I agree with Srikar: your repeated tactic of attempting to discredit the > people who raised concerns is inappropriate, aggressive, uncollegial, > unhelpful, and for those not convinced of your good faith, also probably > suggesting an attempt to cover something up or change the subject by any > means necessary. > > Now, *I myself* trust there is no reason to cover anything up. As I > already said earlier in this thread, if a mistake was made, it can be > openly admitted; in my experience Wikimedians are exceptionally open and > forgiving when faced with honest admission of error or bad judgment. And if > no mistake was made, then clarifications can be offered and understanding > and trust regained. > > Rahul has now explained the circumstances of his non-responsiveness, and > people have expressed understanding and patience, while declining his > suggestion that this should be discussed privately. Rahul now can take the > time he needs to explain his actions to the community, which is the > constituency he is to serve. > > Cheers, > > A. > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 20:44 Abhinav srivastava <abhinav...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> Perhaps it would be advisable to hear from Mr Asaf Bartov and if we can >> throw some light. >> >> Whether best practices call for taking name publicly or should the >> concerned persons approach CIS and WMIN and get the details. >> >> Abhinav >> On Thursday, September 13, 2018, Abhinav srivastava <abhinav...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> It is necessary my friend. Name game business is no sign of maturity. >>> Rest, report has already been shared. >>> >>> Affcom member who is selected and not elected showing biases concerns >>> me. This chapter only made him a featured wikimedians and assisted him and >>> his friends. His friend has also acknowledged the help on this thread when >>> EC members paid from their pocket to support him. He still hasn't finished >>> the report but we don't do sensationalism. >>> >>> >>> >>> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Equipment_Lending_and_Community_Support/Report/2016/Bodhisattwa >>> >>> Post Script : Just a general though based on today morning newspapers. >>> India has become a hub of online trolling where one asks the other to >>> respond. I am happy they are restricted to social media and not us here. >>> >>> I personally respect you for your work on en Wikipedia and also helping >>> the chapter. I will not reply if you feel so. Suggestion taken. >>> >>> Abhinav >>> >>> >>> On Thu 13 Sep, 2018, 10:34 PM Srikar Kashyap Pulipaka, < >>> srikar.kash...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> <Just a random observation> >>>> >>>> Dear Abhinav, >>>> >>>> I feel you have been overly enthusiastic in responding to the mails in >>>> this thread. I clearly don't find *anything* personal and offensive in >>>> Satdeep's email. That was a totally uncalled for attack on him. It is >>>> indeed true that Rahul must answer a few questions raised in this thread >>>> *himself*. I strongly suggest that we let Rahul address all the concerns >>>> himself in this thread once and for all. I don't expect your reply to this >>>> mail and hope you don't too. It's not necessary. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Srikar >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:19 PM Abhinav srivastava < >>>> abhinav...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Comrade Satdeep, >>>>> >>>>> Respect one's personal privacy. You can approach CIS-A2K or Mr >>>>> Deshmukh and WMIN and know who invited. Rest, report and documentation has >>>>> already been shared. You can also write on the discussion page on Meta >>>>> where report has been shared and find out, if you really want an >>>>> individual's name public. I am not convinced why an international >>>>> volunteers name need to be called. >>>>> >>>>> You are not even an elected member at Affcom, if my memory serves me >>>>> correctly. You did not hold any work experience which was written as >>>>> mandatory for the office you are holding. I am not sure if you shared any >>>>> report for the Hindi contractual job. You want to discuss everything about >>>>> you on a personal mail. >>>>> >>>>> Why the difference? >>>>> >>>>> Abhinav >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu 13 Sep, 2018, 9:35 PM Satdeep Gill, <satdeepg...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Rahul, >>>>>> >>>>>> It's very sad to hear about your loss. I totally understand how >>>>>> difficult it must have been for you and rest of your family. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks a lot responding to this thread. I understand your request to >>>>>> personally email you but there are many unanswered questions such as >>>>>> information about the inviting organization, reporting etc. in this >>>>>> thread >>>>>> and it would be better if you can answer all the questions one by one in >>>>>> one email on this thread itself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let me know if you need any help in collecting all the questions in >>>>>> one email. I am available to help you. Otherwise, just go through the >>>>>> whole >>>>>> thread (which will provide you with enough context as well). >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree with you that this discussion will help WMIN and the larger >>>>>> wikimedia community as well. It will also help us ensure more >>>>>> transparency >>>>>> in our processes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Looking forward to hear from you! Thank you once again for taking out >>>>>> some time to reply here. I believe you must not be fully available yet. >>>>>> So, >>>>>> take your time and respond whenever you can in the coming weeks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best >>>>>> Satdeep >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 7:09 PM Rahul Deshmukh < >>>>>> rahuldeshmukh...@wikimedia.in> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> *Dear all,* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *I am extremely sorry to inform you that my younger cousin brother >>>>>>> passed away last Friday from severe medical complications. He was just >>>>>>> 38 >>>>>>> and had been hospitalised for several weeks in critical stage. * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Being engrossed in the family issue I was not able to reply the >>>>>>> thread for which I am extremely sorry.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Regarding the issue as discussed in the thread I had requested for >>>>>>> sponsorship with all needful information from external funding agency >>>>>>> CIS, >>>>>>> and CIS agreed to it. Wikimedia India did not spend any fund from its >>>>>>> account. * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *However this discussion will be helpful for Wikimedia India while >>>>>>> disseminating WMIN’s funds in future. * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *In case someone wants any other information in this regard I would >>>>>>> request community members to personally email me.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Thanks* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Rahul Deshmukh* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 2:06 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar < >>>>>>> sudhanwa....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 3:47 PM Subhashish Panigrahi < >>>>>>>> psubhash...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just a technical clarification - Asaf copied Rahul in his first >>>>>>>>> emai so he must have received the email. I have copied Rahul again. In >>>>>>>>> worst case scenario (if he is not there in the mailing list), others >>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>> the chapter board would have informed him. It’s very hard to believe >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> the discussion has gone so far without Rahul not being aware Also, >>>>>>>>> it’s >>>>>>>>> important for movement partner reps to be on mailing lists of their >>>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>> country. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My bad. Haven't noticed Rahul is also marked in the mails. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sorry, I don’t find the argument — that Rahul hasn’t replied back >>>>>>>>> because he isn’t there in the mailing list — a strong one. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Completely agree that he should reply. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> -Sudhanwa >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>> >>>
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