Eran raises a key point. On his project, there was a significant
discussion prior to the deployment. Hewiki has voluntarily, as a community,
decided to participate in the early development of a tool. This is a very
good thing, and one that reflects well on the hewiki community.
This process tends to be much more complex on large projects where the
editorial base is highly diverse. We know that the editorial base of most
of our non-English projects tends to be geographically centralized to one
or only a few countries (with the likely exception of Spanish projects),
and usually the majority of editors on these projects (e.g., French,
German, Italian projects) live in one country and share the same cultural
roots. This shared experience increases the likelihood of obtaining
consensus.
English projects, particularly Wikipedia, do not have that same shared
cultural, geographic or historical cohesion; as the lingua franca of more
than a dozen countries, and the second language for thousands of other
editors, even localized variations in usage can be a stumbling block. Add
into that the fact that English Wikipedia has such a large editing
community, and that there is no effective centralized communication
process, and the ability of the community to develop a consensus opinion on
any major topic is exponentially more difficult than on many other
projects. Anyone who has spent much time on Meta knows how difficult it is
to come to a consensus there; Commons seems to have been more effective in
developing effective communication/discussion processes, although as I note
English seems to be the prevalent language there, it must be somewhat
intimidating for those who do do not include English as one of their
languages.
I confess that there are many days when I envy our more cohesive, less
diverse projects for their ability to come to well-discussed, well-reasoned
decisions in a timely way. I think there are lessons out there for English
Wikipedia to learn.
Risker/Anne
On 6 April 2013 12:47, Eran Rosenthal <eranro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In hewiki we had a discussion in village pump before phase II deployment
> and there is a simple bureaucratic policy for converting templates to use
> the new {{#property}} feature:
> a discussion in "Wikipedia:Village pump/templates" for each template
> conversion before actually adding {{#property}} for it.
> (this "village pump for templates" was already exist to eliminate adding
> unnecessary extra parameters that were added without discussion)
> This way we can check that each conversion is both technically ok, use the
> correct properties from wikidata, and doesn't add unnecessary parameters.
>
> We don't use yet the new features - as in the real world cases it isn't
> just {{#property}} and to enjoy the powerful features of wikidata we must
> use WikibaseClient Lua api,
> but we are in final phase of testing {{Taxobox}} (with no parameters at
> all. really cool!)
>
> I would like to thank to Lydia and wikidata team - you are doing a great
> job.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 6:40 PM, legoktm <legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 10:28 AM, MZMcBride <z...@mzmcbride.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Risker wrote:
> > > >Lydia, could you please point me to the discussion on *English
> > Wikipedia*
> > > >where the community indicated an interest in deploying this software?
> > > >Infoboxes and sourcing to another website completely outside the
> control
> > > >of English Wikipedia is a rather big issue, and I would expect to see
> a
> > > >Request for Comment with at least 200-300 participants.
> > >
> > > I think the issue we're seeing here is that changes, particularly large
> > > changes, often aren't socialized well.
> > >
> > > It probably doesn't help to target the English Wikipedia first, of
> > course,
> > > given that it's often annoyingly exceptional. Wikidata seems like a
> large
> > > enough change that I agree that a bit more socialization might be nice.
> > > There are over 700 wikis on which to possibly deploy Wikidata, in
> theory.
> > >
> >
> > Wikidata phase 2 is already live on 11 different wikis. (
> > http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/03/27/you-can-have-all-the-data/)
> >
> > >
> > > MZMcBride
> > >
> > >
> > > -- Legoktm
> > http://enwp.org/User:Legoktm
> >
> >
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