Hi Nick,
I'm glad the Foundation is finally valuing a usable discussion system.
Unfortunately, there are some serious issues with Flow which will
prevent my use of it in production if not addressed in full:
* Administrators *must* be able to to see a deleted Flow board without
undeleting it (T90972 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90972>)
* Ordinary users *must* be able to move topics between boards (T88140
<https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T88140>)
* Ordinary users *must* be able to edit AND move AND indent AND dedent
other users' comments (T78253
<https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78253>)
* An arbitrary indentation level *must* be allowed, with optional
facilitations for adding an {{outdent}}-like marker
* Every basic functionality (including but not limited to the
"preview" button) *must* work without relying on JavaScript (T60019
<https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T60019>)
I see that the implementation of many features was delayed at the
initial stage of development, but they can't be ignored when trying to
deploy such a software in production. Thank you.
Il 17/03/2015 01:51, Nick Wilson (Quiddity) ha scritto:
LiquidThreads (LQT) has not been well-supported in a long time. Flow
is in active development, and more real-world use-cases will help
focus attention on the higher-priority features that are needed. To
that end, LQT pages at mediawiki.org will start being converted to
Flow in the next couple of weeks.
There are about 1,600 existing LQT pages on Mediawiki, and the three
most active pages are VisualEditor/Feedback, Project:Support_desk, and
Help_talk:CirrusSearch.[1] The Collaboration team has been running
test conversions of those three pages, and fixing issues that have
come up. Those fixes are almost complete, and the team will be ready
to start converting LQT threads to Flow topics soon. (If you’re
interested in the progress, check out phab:T90788[2] and linked
tasks.) The latest set is visible at a labs test server.[3] See an
example topic comparison here: Flow vs LQT.[4])
The VisualEditor/Feedback page will be converted first (per James'
request), around the middle of next week. We’ll pause to assess any
high-priority changes required. After that, we will start converting
more pages. This process may take a couple of weeks to fully run.
The last page to be converted will be Project:Support_desk, as that is
the largest and most active LQT Board.
LQT Threads that are currently on your watchlist, will still be
watchlisted as Flow Topics. New Topics created at Flow Boards on your
watchlist will appear in your Echo notifications, and you can choose
whether or not to watchlist them.
The LQT namespaces will continue to exist. Links to posts/topics will
redirect appropriately, and the LQT history will remain available at
the original location, as well as being mirrored in the Flow history.
There’s a queue of new features in Flow that will be shipped over the
next month or so:
* Table of Contents is done
* Category support for Flow Header and Topics is done
* VE with editing toolbar coming last week of March (phab:T90763) [5]
* Editing other people’s comments coming last week of March (phab:T91086)
* Ability to change the width & side rail in progress, probably out in
April (phab:T88114])
* Search is in progress (no ETA yet) (phab:T76823)
* The ability to choose which Flow notifications end up in Echo,
watchlist, or both, and other more powerful options, will be coming up
next (no ETA yet)
That being said -- there are some LiquidThreads features that don’t
exist in Flow yet.
We’d like to hear which features you use on the current LQT boards,
and that you’re concerned about losing in the Flow conversion. At the
same time, we’d like further suggestions on how we could improve upon
that (or other) features from LQT.
Please give us feedback at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Sdoatsbslsafx6lw to keep it
centralized, and test freely at the sandbox.[6]
Much thanks, on behalf of the Collaboration Team,
Quiddity (WMF)
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor/Feedback and
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help_talk:CirrusSearch and
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_desk
[2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90788
[3] http://flow-tests.wmflabs.org/wiki/Testwiki:Support_desk and
http://flow-tests.wmflabs.org/wiki/VisualEditor/Feedback
[4] http://flow-tests.wmflabs.org/wiki/Topic:Qmkwqmp0wfcazy9c and
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Project:Support_desk/Error_creating_thumbnail:_Unable_to_save_thumbnail_to_destination
[5] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90763 ,
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91086 ,
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T88114 ,
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76823
[6] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Sandbox
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