That would be nice to have a global cleanup at some point, but it won't be able to handle every situation. I don't think relying on VE to clean up is good:
- First, it will take a long time before all articles are edited with VE (maybe never) - Second, I'm not a big fan of VE changing wikitext in parts not modified by the user: experience shows that it messes the diffs, and makes watching what VE is doing a lot more difficult. It has been requested several times that VE doesn't start modifying wikitext in places not modified by the user. Things that are probably safe to fix automatically: - Whitespace characters between nowiki tags at the beginning of a line: remove everything including the whitespace characters. - Whitespace characters between nowiki tags not at the beginning of a line: remove the tags, keep the whitespace characters. - Some characters (letters, digits, ...) between nowiki tags: remove the tags, keep the characters - In a table, cell content with only a dash between nowiki: remove tha tags, add a whitespace characters before the dash <nowiki /> are more difficult to fix automatically I think: - Between quotes: allows to mix a real quote with italics formatting - After the end of a wikilink:prevents the wikilink to extend to the text (often an error due to a bug in VE, but sometimes it may be normal) - ... Nico On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > Thanks Arlo. I added a few. > > But I'm not sure that it answers my original question: Will this be done > every time a page happens to edited in VE and saved or will it be done > globally on all pages in all wikis as some kind of a maintenance job? > > > -- > Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי > http://aharoni.wordpress.com > “We're living in pieces, > I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore > > 2015-06-20 19:45 GMT+03:00 Arlo Breault <abrea...@wikimedia.org>: > > > On Friday, June 19, 2015 at 1:38 AM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > > > There may be more - I'm still looking for these. > > > > > > If you find any, please propose them on the Parsoid’s normalization talk > > page [0]. > > I’ve added the ones you’ve mentioned so far. > > > > We’ve documented [1] what’s currently been implemented. > > > > A few months back, Subbu solicited feedback [2] on what style norms > should > > be enforced. We’ve since added a `scrubWikitext` parameter to Parsoid’s > API > > that clients (like VE) can benefit from. > > > > Cleaning up our past transgressions is great. Helping to prevent their > > continued > > existence is even better. > > > > I was reading the discussion on gradually enabling VE for new accounts > [3] > > and > > Kww writes there, > > > > "Further, we still have issues with stray nowiki tags being scattered > > across articles. > > Until those are addressed, the notion that VE doesn't cause extra work > for > > experienced editors is simply a sign that the metrics used to analyze > > effort were > > wrong. Jdforrester, can you explain how a study that was intended to > > measure > > whether VE caused extra work failed to note that even with the current > > limited use, > > it corrupts articles at this kind of volume [4]? Why would we want to > > encourage > > such a thing?” > > > > Makes me sad. > > > > > > [0] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Parsoid/Normalizations > > [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid/Normalizations > > [2] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2015-April/081453.html > > [3] > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29#Gradually_enabling_VisualEditor_for_new_accounts > > [4] > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&offset=&limit=500&wpSearchFilter=550 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
