For the record: I'm very happy to know that we're drafting an explicit code of conduct.
Yes, Matt may not have expressed himself completely clearly in his initial email. Yes, an ironclad, fully developed, pan-Wikimedia code would be even better. Yes, developing and enforcing any new policy imposes some extra coordination costs on the community. But I don't think any of that blocks the project or outweighs its benefits. ————— Neil P. Quinn <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Neil_P._Quinn-WMF>, product analyst Wikimedia Foundation +1 (202) 656 3457 On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Oliver Keyes <oke...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > I'm not sure why we would be using enwiki as a model for civility, or > civility enforcement ;). As said in my email, there are a lot of > examples being brought up on the talk page of tech-specific or > tech-centric codes of conduct. I'd suggest we avoid fragmenting the > discussion and move it there; I'm sure there are elements in those > which would provide the clarity you seek. > > On 10 August 2015 at 12:09, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Just to clarify a few points: I support the concept of having a global > > friendly spaces policy. I'm ambivalent and reluctant when it comes to the > > particular proposal that we're discussing here. And I think that we > should > > keep in mind that any policy's usefulness for social change will be much > > higher if it has community consensus. > > > > Two emails that I'm revisiting in my thought process are from Frances. I > > agree that personal attacks can be demoralizing and uncivil, and they do > > happen in our communities on occasion. I'm unclear about how to word a > > policy that spells out how to AGF and prohibit the kind of incivility in > > Oliver's example. Would it make sense, I wonder, to copy some of English > > Wikipedia's highly developed policies into technical spaces like WP:NPA? > > This gets us back into the rules creep and policy fragmentation problems. > > Maybe that's an acceptible opportunity cost. I think there might be > greater > > support for a specific NPA proposal than for a broader proposal. I could > > see myself voting in favor of appling English Wikipedia's WP:NPA to > > technical spaces. I think that this would address a specific issue, and > > could be a net positive. > > > > If there are other specific kinds of problems that are ongoing in > technical > > spaces and which would be improved by legislating policy, I would like to > > hear about them. In my personal travels in technical spaces, my > experience > > is that the vast majority of people are civil most of the time. I think a > > general statement of principles about civility could be fine. I'm curious > > to hear if more legislation for technical spaces is needed than that. > > Personally, I think that a global policy might work better. > > > > Pine > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > > -- > Oliver Keyes > Count Logula > Wikimedia Foundation > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
