Yes I've heard of Aruba's solution. But I said Cisco has an "opportunity" to provide a competitive advantage, as do their competitors such as Aruba. An opportunity to provide a competitive advantage doesn't equal a competitive advantage. That depends on performance or at least perceived performance. It would have been more clear if I'd said "Cisco and others", but Cisco was the context of the discussion at the time.
Aruba and others have the same opportunity as Cisco, and I assume are just as happy at the opportunity to distinguish themselves with features that users are asking for. That's all I meant. How the various vendors stack up on that on this feature I really don't know. It may be that it changes little competitively in the end. But I think more users using wireless for more things is a boon for network vendors generally, and I'd be pretty surprised if they actually resented Apple's not addressing the enterprise needs to have this feature directly. If it seems like I'm treating this as a victimless crime, I am because I can't identify anyone actually harmed. I'd be very surprised if any end users would vote to wait to use AirPlay until enterprise IT managers were satisfied with it. There are unethical examples where this form of thing had real victims. I think of a few years back with the Wintel platform and virus checkers, where it wasn't an additional feature in play but the lack of one that was costly and dangerous for the end user. This went on for many years. There were those that complained, but I think most IT managers were entirely happy to participate in exploiting end-users to their own benefit. On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 4:44 AM, Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services) <bosbo...@liberty.edu> wrote: > How is this a competitive advantage for Cisco? > > Have you never heard of Aruba's AirGroup? The features sound very similar. > > > Bruce Osborne > Network Engineer > IT Network Services > (434) 592-4229 > > Liberty University | Training Champions for Christ since 1971 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Duling [mailto:mark.dul...@biola.edu] > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 5:17 PM > Subject: Re: For those of you on Cisco code 7.5, supporting Bonjour, etc... > >>> ... Cisco going above and beyond to accommodate Apple's shame. > > Cisco is overjoyed at the opportunity to provide themselves a competitive > advantage. Users are overjoyed at the capability. I suppose most IT workers > are happy to have the job security that solving visible user-centric problems > like this provides. Lee, if I didn't know better I'd think you've suddenly > lost faith in multi-vendor solutions. :) > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Lee H Badman <lhbad...@syr.edu> wrote: >> I'm still seeing a lot of potential drawbacks to this, despite Cisco >> going above and beyond to accommodate Apple's shame. I also have to >> wonder- is anyone willingly doing what we all know is also >> undesirable- popping up one-off topologies for isolated AppleTV and >> AirPrint (and Chromecast for that matter), outside of the controller >> environment, and just living with the limits and interference? >> >> >> >> Fess up now, you're among friends. J >> >> >> >> -Lee >> >> >> >> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv >> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Albano >> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:47 PM >> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU >> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] For those of you on Cisco code 7.5, >> supporting Bonjour, etc... >> >> >> >> I am also running 7.5, utilizing the mDNS AP feature. This allows the >> devices (AppleTV's) to be plugged into a wired connection. Much less >> channel util. when screen-sharing is only going over Wireless in one >> direction. It works well. The simple guide is here: >> >> http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/wireless/technology/bonjour/7.5/Bonjou >> r_Gateway_Phase-2_WLC_software_release_7.5.html#wp44530 >> >> >> >> You can designate an mDNS ap at the distribution layer, or choose an >> ap in ea. building, if your need crosses distribution routers. >> >> >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> -----The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv >> <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> wrote: ----- >> >> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU >> From: Lee H Badman <lhbad...@syr.edu> >> Sent by: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv >> <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> >> Date: 10/10/2013 08:10AM >> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] For those of you on Cisco code 7.5, >> supporting Bonjour, etc... >> >> Hi Rick- >> >> >> >> Thanks for the response. >> >> >> >> I guess I knew Prime wasn't involved in Bonjour per se- I should have >> asked the question with more clarity. Wondering if PI was helping in >> any way with the management of zones, etc, as given our size we could have >> lots of them. >> >> >> >> If you don't mind sharing (could do a call if you'd rather), what is >> your typical "bring a Bonjour zone to life scenario"? Someone says >> they want to use AirPlay or AppleTV where you don't yet have a zone, >> and then.? Are you seeing cases where it's being relied on for >> classroom use, has a hiccup, and becomes an emergency response because >> instruction is disrupted? And which version of Cisco's cookbook are >> you using- the one with Broadcast enabled on the WLAN or the one with >> Unicast? >> >> >> >> >> >> Again, Thank you. >> >> >> >> >> >> -Lee >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Rick Coloccia, Jr. [mailto:coloc...@geneseo.edu] >> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:02 AM >> To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv; Lee H >> Badman >> Subject: Re: For those of you on Cisco code 7.5, supporting Bonjour, etc... >> >> >> >> Bonjour first comes to the party with 7.4. I had a long talk with the >> Cisco people (many hours over several days inside a tac case regarding >> bonjour and print servers) about the differences between 7.4 and 7.5 >> with regard to Bonjour. 7.5 introduces a "zone" concept, where only >> certain Bonjour sources are repeated to certain place. The core >> functionality is the same, though, between 7.4 and 7.5. If you go to >> 7.5, you can't go to prime 2, you'll need to wait for prime 2.1. >> >> Now, all that said, we're running 7.4.110.0, with almost 900 APs on 7 >> controllers, and Bonjour is working. Yep. I wrote that. Apple tvs >> and printers "just show up." Users are happy. Yep. I wrote that, too. >> >> Prime isn't involved at all in Bounjour, not in the very least. >> >> Feel free to shoot questions over. >> >> -Rick >> >> >> On 10/10/2013 10:54 AM, Lee H Badman wrote: >> >> I have heard tangentially that 7.5 helps the cause of supporting >> AppleTVs better than last couple of versions (no discredit to Cisco >> for trying to solve Apple's shortcomings). Is there anyone running 7.5 >> on a big, prod WLAN that can say they are having an acceptable, >> low-support/low-confusion-for-users experience with lots of Apple >> Bonjour-dependent devices in use? Is PI helping with this in any way? >> >> >> >> Just trying to get a read before we go to 7.5. >> >> >> >> (I am aware of Bonjour gateways and what other vendors are doing, >> hoping to keep answers limited to Cisco 7.5) >> >> >> >> Thanks very much- >> >> >> >> Lee Badman >> >> >> >> ********** Participation and subscription information for this >> EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at >> http://www.educause.edu/groups/. >> >> >> >> -- Rick Coloccia, Jr. Network Manager State University of NY College >> at Geneseo 1 College Circle, 119 South Hall Geneseo, NY 14454 V: >> 585-245-5577 >> F: 585-245-5579 >> >> ********** Participation and subscription information for this >> EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at >> http://www.educause.edu/groups/. >> >> >> ********** Participation and subscription information for this >> EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at >> http://www.educause.edu/groups/. >> >> ********** Participation and subscription information for this >> EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at >> http://www.educause.edu/groups/. > > ********** > Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent > Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. > > ********** > Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent > Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
