Could a complaint to the FCC help? Has anyone tried that? Remember how we signed a petition for Apple to get their act together about a year ago? Maybe if we all bombarded the FCC about this issue they would find the teeth to go after Verizon and ATT et al.
I know. I am a dreamer...but I'm not the only one.... On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Lee H Badman <lhbad...@syr.edu> wrote: > Fix the Mi-Fi situation and all will be forgiven. How one wireless > technology sector can be so clueless about the issues they cause for > another is confounding. > > See if you can get a sticker put on the devices that say "These aren't > exactly welcome everywhere" for bonus points. > > :) > > Lee Badman > Network Architect/Wireless TME > ITS, Syracuse University > 315.443.3003 > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Manish Rai [m...@merunetworks.com] > *Received:* Thursday, 09 Jan 2014, 17:07 > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU [ > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] > *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Myfi > > Sorry for blasting the group. This email was meant for internal > consumption. My apologies. > > > > Best, > > > > Manish > > > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto: > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Manish Rai > *Sent:* Thursday, January 09, 2014 2:03 PM > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Myfi > > > > Ajay, > > > > There is a lot of discussion on Educause list about interference from Myfi > devices from AT&T and Verizon. Can we check to see of we can somehouse > cause the MyWi devices to switch to another channel than the one we are > using? We can make a huge marketing windfall from this. Others use all > the channels and cannot do this. > > > > Best, > > > > Manish > > > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ > mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] > *On Behalf Of *Jim Florwick (jiflorwi) > *Sent:* Thursday, January 09, 2014 7:09 AM > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Myfi > > > > Today the only solution that we have had any luck with is wireless policy > and spreading the word. It is an education problem – and the Carriers will > likely start caring more as they themselves deploy more wi-fi and bear the > burden of their creations. If you publish a policy – it's a lot like > posting a speed limit – no one cares until someone gets a ticket. Policing > the policy is an important part of the education process. In annual events > we sponsor and support we police this using system location and then Fluke > AirChecks to triangulate and identify an individual in a crowd (that's > actually fun for me – but not as productive as running the network). Year > on year since we started implementing policies, we have seen an > improvement. It's often not worth trying to track the Mi–Fi's down now as > they will be gone before you can get to them – and in reality the short > time they are active doesn't really interfere all that much. It is my hope > that one day this is like recycling – and neighbors will council neighbors > on social responsibility. > > > > As far as blocking the MAC address – this is not possible as the Mi-Fi is > not on your control plane – it is it's own Wlan and is not using your wired > resources – just your spectrum. You can try rogue containment – and we > have – eventually users get frustrated and quit – however this is only > practical at normal user volumes – large events you can't afford to waste > spectrum by attacking rogues over the air. > > > > Standards committees are well aware of the issue – but the hangup is that > an IBSS or Mi-Fi is perfectly legal by the specification. Some hope can be > seen in the WFA's adoption of an Enterprise Voice Certification. Perhaps > one day we will have a consumer cert vs Enterprise Engineered cert – and > hopefully a way to mandate what features are acceptable on a privately > engineered enterprise network. > > > > > > Jim Florwick > > Cisco > > TME WNG > > > > > > *From: *Scott Allen <sc...@georgetown.edu> > *Reply-To: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv < > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> > *Date: *Thursday, January 9, 2014 9:23 AM > *To: *"WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" < > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> > *Subject: *Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Myfi > > > > Has anyone constructed a wired/wireless set of tools that will allow us to > manually detect WiFi rogues and then disable their MAC addresses on the > wired network? I have Prime 1.3 running for APs so I can see the rogues > but I don't know which wired port they are connected to. > > -Scott (we are the morlocks) Allen > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Lee H Badman <lhbad...@syr.edu> wrote: > > Is a frustrating topic for sure. Even if you have a good wireless guest > network, many vendors/visitors and even some faculty/staff/students just > prefer to pull their own devices out and use “their own WLAN” anywhere and > everywhere- it’s just part of their lifestyle. And yes, frustratingly our > friends at Verizon and AT&T who make these units increasingly cheaper could > give a rip about interference or policy of the places the gadgets get used. > My own rant: > http://wirednot.wordpress.com/2013/02/25/mi-fi-not-kind-to-wi-fi/ > > > > Prevention is great if you can effectively spread the word, but the need > to have a mitigation strategy is inevitable- as is the occasional scenario > where a class or meeting (or stadium event) has its campus wireless > crippled by people “bringin’ their own Wi-Fi”. Sadly. Our lot in life is to > bear the criticism that the WLAN sucks when we’re simply a victim of > physics, until we can deal with getting the devices eliminated. > > > > The move to 5 GHz by more devices helps, but doesn’t eliminate the problem > as some Mi-Fis are showing up in 5 GHz as well. To me, this is just one of > the negative (to us in the Enterprise WLAN business) effects of the general > consumerization of IT, and of WLAN specifically. There is no fix, there is > no answer, so you need a strategy that combines: > > > > · Education- frequent and non-threatening messages of why these > devices are problematic > > · Get partners- IT staff/Deans, etc beyond the WLAN admins have > to buy in and help with the message > > · Enforcement- when you can without obsessing about it > > · Tolerance- some you just have to let slide, either politically > or because it’s just not worth the battle > > > > And you have to be able to apply these in varying weights depending on the > situation. Nothing with wireless is simple any more. > > > > One man’s O-pinion. > > > > Regards- > > > > Lee Badman > > > > > > > > > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto: > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Anthony, Mark G > *Sent:* Thursday, January 09, 2014 8:00 AM > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Myfi > > > > We too have seen this issue in our conference center and other functions > that go on around campus. As for policing them, we have in the past tried > to shut them down and had good luck in doing so. Once everyone in the room > turned off their Myfi’s they started working again on the campus wireless > network. The down fall is that once you cleared the room and all is good a > new group of people lets out and more Myfi’s show up. It’s fighting a > losing battle is you ask me. Best we can do is get the person or person’s > running the event and educate them about the possible situations before the > event takes place. With that said, I’m also curious how others handle this > issue during their large venues. ‘ > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Mark G. Anthony > > Network Administrator > > Information Technology Services > > The Florida State University > > Email manth...@fsu.edu > > > > > > > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ > mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] > *On Behalf Of *John Kaftan > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 8, 2014 10:34 PM > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Myfi > > > > I got my hands on someone's Verizon Myfi today and it was set to Auto > choose what channel to broadcast its SSID on. The crazy thing chose > channel 2! It was putting out a pretty strong signal too. I was seeing a > -50 dB from 10 feet away. > > > > To anyone else connected to channel 1 or 6 a signal on channel 2 is going > to be noise, i.e. interference. > > > > When doing scans I have seen this before. I have seen these things on > every channel but 1,6,11 now that I think about it. > > > > I logged into its web interface and was able to force it to use channel > 1. There is also an easy to use interface right on the device where I > could chose the channel. > > > > I'm just alarmed that these things choose non-standandard channels. If > 3-4 or more of these things show up in room hosting a conference we may > have a real problem. Its hard enough to put 120 laptops in a room and get > them all on and happy let alone having these things out there. > > > > I'm curious, does anybody police these devices at high density events or > make an announcement requesting folks turn them off? I can't imagine these > Myfis perform well in high density situations due to their competing for > bandwidth on both 2.4 and cellular bands. > > > > Thanks > > -- > > John Kaftan > > IT Infrastructure Manager > > Utica College > > > > ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/groups/. > > ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/groups/. > > ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/groups/. > > > > > > -- > > > Scott Allen > Director, Network Services > Georgetown University > sc...@georgetown.edu > mobile - 202-309-5739 > > ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/groups/. > > ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/groups/. > > ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/groups/. > ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/groups/. > > ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/groups/. > > -- John Kaftan IT Infrastructure Manager Utica College ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
