We are almost identical to this. We did active "rogue prevention" in the past, but it never worked as well as advertised anyway. The rogue device and the active prevention was just more noise pollution; too many students just stopped using their personal routers, etc but left them powered on and broadcasting. And there are too many devices interfering (*stink eye at HP printers*) without the students knowing they have an interfering device.
We do a sweep early in the year to ferret out the rogues, and slip an information sheet under their door. This takes care of 90% of the cases. We do a follow up and the remaining 10% get handed over to our student life who usually convince them with just a talking to. Our best indicator throughout the year are complaints from students that wireless performance has dropped. That helps pinpoint the rogue as it's usually a room nearby. Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 -----Original Message----- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Sweetser Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 10:48 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi blocking stories We don't call out the variants (MiFis, hotspots, Nintendo DS WiFi USB adapter, etc...). Instead we just focus on anything broadcasting an SSID as "interfering with or degrading WPI network service", in that it's competing for scarce airtime. That said, we *don't* launch countermeasures against anything that comes up. We simply have far too many edge cases (networks from adjacent buildings in residential areas, misconfigured Windows machines silently creating ad-hoc networks, legitimate research projects that didn't know any better...), especially in any kind of automated fashion. Instead we monitor the reports, both in the system and word of mouth. Anything we find we then address with a light hand, typically no more than a light slap on the wrist unless we find evidence that they're willfully going against the rules. Having the AUP in place and enforceable (at least on our own community members, as opposed to random visitors) does give us critical leverage to make this all work. Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 08/20/2015 11:25 AM, Lee H Badman wrote: > Does that include MiFis? > > Lee H. Badman > Network Architect/Wireless TME > ITS, Syracuse University > 315.443.3003 > > ________________________________________ > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv > <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of Frank Sweetser > <f...@wpi.edu> > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2015 11:22 AM > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi > blocking stories > > Students should be a relatively easy case. At least here, we make > them sign an AUP, which references explicit provisions about not running > unauthorized APs. > > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that > Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. > Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken > > On 08/20/2015 11:19 AM, Philippe Hanset wrote: >> We need to wait on an unfortunate school to be sued by a student due >> to Mi-Fi blocking in a Residential Property >> >> -Student: >> >> I pay rent, I can do whatever I want in my room >> >> -School: >> >> We provide “free” Wi-FI to all rooms and the interferences are >> becoming unmanageable to a point where we have more trouble tickets >> than packets being successfully sent or received. >> We had to do something. >> >> -Lawyers: >> >> Either way, we will cash on this! >> >> -FCC: >> >> So, we have an Interferer being interfered by another interferer. >> Could Scott Adams please give us some wisdom on this >> >> >> Philippe >> >> Philippe Hanset >> >> >> >>> On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Lee H Badman <lhbad...@syr.edu >>> <mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu>> wrote: >>> >>> It's a good point, and there was a bit of chatter on this on >>> Twitter. The FCC has left the whole thing way too open-ended given >>> the popularity of Wi-Fi, and a lot of topics bleed over on to each other. >>> >>> I'd be surprised if they responded in any way- the preference seems >>> to be to ambush users with fines. >>> >>> >>> *Lee H. Badman* >>> Network Architect/Wireless TME >>> ITS, Syracuse University >>> 315.443.3003 >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---------- *From:*The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group >>> Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU >>> <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> on behalf of Philippe >>> Hanset <phan...@anyroam.net <mailto:phan...@anyroam.net>> >>> *Sent:*Thursday, August 20, 2015 10:34 AM >>> *To:*WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU >>> <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> >>> *Subject:*Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi >>> blocking stories Lee, >>> >>> I just read your Open Letter. Good work. Thank you. >>> >>> One question that I have for future reference is: >>> “What constitutes blocking?” >>> >>> You mention White Noise or Frame manipulation… What if building >>> owners have frequency blocking material as part of the design of the >>> building. >>> This could be considered passive blocking as opposed to white noise >>> or frame manipulation but it is blocking regardless. >>> We might want to know the FCC point of view on this before we create >>> “wave free classrooms”! >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Philippe >>> >>> Philippe Hanset >>> www.eduriam.us <http://www.eduriam.us/> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Aug 20, 2015, at 10:16 AM, Lee H Badman <lhbad...@syr.edu >>>> <mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm trying to get the FCC's attention on this: >>>> >>>> https://wirednot.wordpress.com/2015/08/19/an-open-letter-to-the-fcc >>>> / >>>> >>>> -Lee >>>> >>>> *Lee H. Badman* >>>> Network Architect/Wireless TME >>>> ITS, Syracuse University >>>> 315.443.3003 >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ----------- *From:*The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group >>>> Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU >>>> <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> on behalf of Mike King >>>> <m...@mpking.com <mailto:m...@mpking.com>> *Sent:*Wednesday, August 19, >>>> 2015 9:01 PM *To:*WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU >>>> <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> >>>> *Subject:*Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 6-month follow-up to Marriott/FCC Wifi >>>> blocking stories I know it's two weeks later, but Smart Holdings >>>> just got smacked by the FCC for the same thing. (Which is probably >>>> why you were asking) >>>> >>>> http://gizmodo.com/its-about-damn-time-fcc-says-convention-centers- >>>> cant-b-1724805719?dfp_pp_ab=on&dfp_desktop_three=off&utm_expid=6686 >>>> 6090-43.E9Bjfd6NTuSlXJewu2e_Ig.1&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.goo >>>> gle.com%2F >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Bob Brown<bbr...@nww.com >>>> <mailto:bbr...@nww.com>>wrote: >>>> >>>> I’m looking to follow up on aseries of stories we ran in late >>>> 2014/early 2015 >>>> >>>> <http://www.networkworld.com/article/2879142/wireless/fcc-still-has-ton-of-explaining-to-do-on-wi-fi-blocking-rules.html>on >>>> the Marriott Wifi blocking issue. To refresh, the FCC fined Marriott >>>> for blocking a Wifi hotspot (or hotspots) at one of its hotel >>>> convention centers. The incident sparked quite a bit of discussion on >>>> this listserv, as university/college network pros wondered whether >>>> their own Wifi management/security practices would now be considered >>>> legit and whether the products they were using could still be used. >>>> >>>> *I’ve followed up with Marriott, whose CIO kicked me over to public >>>> relations, which naturally declined to comment. >>>> *The hospitality industry trade group had said at the time of the >>>> FCC/Marriott decisions that it was going to launch a cybersecurity >>>> task >>>> force to study this topic further, but they haven’t responded to my >>>> inquiries, so I’m not sure whether such a task force was formed and if >>>> so, whether it has accomplished anything. >>>> *The FCC has been unresponsive on this matter entirely. >>>> *I’ve contacted WLAN vendors that I spoke to for some of the original >>>> articles to see if anything has changed on their end since the start >>>> of >>>> the year and they haven’t had much to say so far. >>>> >>>> So, based on all this, I don’t have much of an update to write about >>>> at >>>> this point…perhaps exactly what these parties would like. >>>> >>>> But, I’m also wondering if any of you who were trying to figure out >>>> earlier this year what the FCC decision/Marriott response meant to >>>> you, >>>> have taken any new approaches to managing/security Wifi on your >>>> campuses. 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