I might be inclined to say it may be a loser in the future. I just read an article in a Telco trade magazine that announced a software package that can sniff SIP packets and give real time information for billing based on an IBM server. In that same article they talked about how they could limit or stop any SIP traffic from any provider if they wanted, but the thing that caught my eye was how they mentioned they could tell things like termination points and delivery charges. This is just like the current Telco model. If they start pushing VOIP to a typical Telco model (and they should from their point of view to level the playing field and raise the cost of doing VOIP) then the regulatory and call delivery costs will go up and the cost benefit starts to go down. It is an interesting point of view and worth keeping an eye on. The way they were able to shove the 911 thing down the VOIP operators throats in such short order makes me wonder if they won't do the same thing with termination charges based on IP and packets like they do with copper now.
Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> -----Original Message----- From: Jason Hensley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance For someone like me who is currently looking at getting into the VoIP business, why is it that you feel VoIP will be a long-term loser? I have just started my research into what it will take to provide this so I'm a little behind on it, but I'm definately interested in all opinions and options. Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance > Primus/Lingo is calling every WISP in the country trying to sign them up > for a very CommPartners like deal. All of these VoIP providers are using > the same shitty model that will be worthless in 2 years time. There is no > money to be made in VoIP short-term unless you operate your own equipment. > Long-term, there is no money to be made in VoIP at all. VoIP will soon be > a loss leader; plan for it or do get into the VoIP business. > > BTW, Primus makes all their money on international termination. The > domestic stuff is losing money hand over fist. > > -Matt > > John Scrivner wrote: > >> Primus tells me they are more than a VOIP company and that they do make >> money. They impressed me in my dealings with them. Can you share more >> about your information about Primus? I have a big interest in knowing >> anything I can about them right now. >> Thanks, >> Scriv >> >> >> Peter R. wrote: >> >>> You haven't seen it yet, because Lingo is not profitable yet. >>> Primus owns Lingo and Primus is basically an International VOIP company. >>> >>> Like so many VOIP Providers, they are still trying to figure out how to >>> make a profit. >>> >>> Delta3 (which is the backend for VZ's VoiceWing) made $9.1M in revenue >>> in 4Q05 and just $22k in income. >>> >>> Vonage has a customer acquisition cost that is 20 times their MRC. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> Jonathan Schmidt wrote: >>> >>>> I've been personally delighted with two years of Lingo giving me >>>> unlimited USA/Canada/EUROPE calling on 7 lines each for $19.95/month >>>> and an unusually rich set of features (like e-mailing me compressed WAV >>>> files of all incoming voicemails, etc.). >>>> Now, that's retail w/box and support. >>>> I've taken the box on trips and routed it through my laptop Ethernet >>>> while >>>> the laptop is on a V.32 dialup and it works but sounds kind of like a >>>> cell >>>> phone but having my local number with me in Europe and having unlimited >>>> free calls throughout Europe from Europe or Eastern Europe for ZERO >>>> additional cost is kinda cool. >>>> It's SIP but they keep promising a soft phone for the line, like >>>> Vonaga, but >>>> haven't seen it yet. >>>> . . . j o n a t h a n >>> >>> >>> > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
