The notion of avoiding toll costs by working with other WISPs sounds
great in theory. From our standpoint, it would cost us more to connect
to a single WISP than to pay our entire long distance bill. We pay
between $0.002 to $0.005 per minute on average for domestic long distance.
-Matt
Mac Dearman wrote:
I agree with that bit of advice whole heartedly Matt!
We are in the process of setting up our own VoIP solution as we
speak. I think that by the time that 100 of us WISPs get into our own
VoIP offerings we can allow access from the other WISPs PRI's...etc
for PSTN access to limit the amount of LD charges if their is availble
access from a fellow WISP...etc
I think everyone of us need to be in our own VoIP business!! I have
even given thought to a Coop kind of deal, but I need to have some
more beer and thoughts on that :-)
Mac Dearman
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance
In our case, the most expense part of our VoIP deployment was getting
our network ready to support it correctly. Whether the backend is
outsourced doesn't affect the requirement to support end-to-end QoS.
Therefore, I believe that you should either get in all the way or not
at all.
The worst thing in the world you could do is bundle a 3rd party
service that doesn't work very well and then because it is outsourced
not be able to fix it.
-Matt
Tom DeReggi wrote:
MAtt,
I agree with you on most of your comments.
However, there is more to it.
Offering VOIP is not just about making money on it. Its about
controlling who has access to your subscribers, if one does not have
the time to be a VOIP provider themselves.
Bundling is a necessarily part of succeeding going in to the
future. Its more important that ever to outsource VOIP, if it will
likely never be a profitable business. let someone else loose the
money, and reap the rewards of bundling today. Give the companies
access to your clients that will be the lowest threat.
What benefit is it to allow, Vonage, ATT, Comcast, Verizon access to
your client base, by allowing your subscribers to choose their VOIP
options?
So Matt, I agree if the ISP/WISP intends to make significant money
on the service, build your own. But don't knock the
Primus/CommPartner models, they have their purpose and will enable
many WISPs/ISPs to have an option to offer, that don;t have the
resources to build their own.
What this industry needs to recognize is that there are industry
trends that are going to gain market share, because consumers demand
them and are willing to buy. They don't care who makes or looses
money, they jsut know how to compare retail price they pay to the
quality the receive. JUst like Muni broadband, its a reality of
something that is going to happen. So my point is, pick the
companies that you want to help succeed, and which ones you want to
help NOT succeed, because some of them ARE going to succeed.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance
Primus/Lingo is calling every WISP in the country trying to sign
them up for a very CommPartners like deal. All of these VoIP
providers are using the same shitty model that will be worthless in
2 years time. There is no money to be made in VoIP short-term
unless you operate your own equipment. Long-term, there is no money
to be made in VoIP at all. VoIP will soon be a loss leader; plan
for it or do get into the VoIP business.
BTW, Primus makes all their money on international termination. The
domestic stuff is losing money hand over fist.
-Matt
John Scrivner wrote:
Primus tells me they are more than a VOIP company and that they do
make money. They impressed me in my dealings with them. Can you
share more about your information about Primus? I have a big
interest in knowing anything I can about them right now.
Thanks,
Scriv
Peter R. wrote:
You haven't seen it yet, because Lingo is not profitable yet.
Primus owns Lingo and Primus is basically an International VOIP
company.
Like so many VOIP Providers, they are still trying to figure out
how to make a profit.
Delta3 (which is the backend for VZ's VoiceWing) made $9.1M in
revenue in 4Q05 and just $22k in income.
Vonage has a customer acquisition cost that is 20 times their MRC.
Regards,
Peter
Jonathan Schmidt wrote:
I've been personally delighted with two years of Lingo giving me
unlimited USA/Canada/EUROPE calling on 7 lines each for
$19.95/month
and an unusually rich set of features (like e-mailing me
compressed WAV
files of all incoming voicemails, etc.).
Now, that's retail w/box and support.
I've taken the box on trips and routed it through my laptop
Ethernet while
the laptop is on a V.32 dialup and it works but sounds kind of
like a cell
phone but having my local number with me in Europe and having
unlimited
free calls throughout Europe from Europe or Eastern Europe for ZERO
additional cost is kinda cool.
It's SIP but they keep promising a soft phone for the line,
like Vonaga, but
haven't seen it yet.
. . . j o n a t h a n
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