VoIP is an essential part of your offerings. We target business customers and try to sell SDSL style services instead of ADSL style as it's just as easy for us to deliver a symmetrical service then it is to deliver an asymmetric service. The key to selling the symmetric service is by showing the customer the applications available that would require upstream bandwidth like supporting remote workers and of course VoIP. We don't make profit from the VoIP directly but when you consider that SDSL is 4-6x more expensive than ADSL you can make the profit up else where ;)
Cheers, P. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: 06 March 2006 20:00 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance The notion of avoiding toll costs by working with other WISPs sounds great in theory. From our standpoint, it would cost us more to connect to a single WISP than to pay our entire long distance bill. We pay between $0.002 to $0.005 per minute on average for domestic long distance. -Matt Mac Dearman wrote: > I agree with that bit of advice whole heartedly Matt! > > We are in the process of setting up our own VoIP solution as we > speak. I think that by the time that 100 of us WISPs get into our own > VoIP offerings we can allow access from the other WISPs PRI's...etc > for PSTN access to limit the amount of LD charges if their is availble > access from a fellow WISP...etc > > I think everyone of us need to be in our own VoIP business!! I have > even given thought to a Coop kind of deal, but I need to have some > more beer and thoughts on that :-) > > > Mac Dearman > Maximum Access, LLC. > Authorized Barracuda Reseller > MikroTik RouterOS Certified > www.inetsouth.com > www.mac-tel.us > www.RadioResponse.org (Katrina Relief) > Rayville, La. > 318.728.8600 > 318.303.4228 > 318.303.4229 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:21 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance > > >> In our case, the most expense part of our VoIP deployment was getting >> our network ready to support it correctly. Whether the backend is >> outsourced doesn't affect the requirement to support end-to-end QoS. >> Therefore, I believe that you should either get in all the way or not >> at all. >> >> The worst thing in the world you could do is bundle a 3rd party >> service that doesn't work very well and then because it is outsourced >> not be able to fix it. >> >> -Matt >> >> Tom DeReggi wrote: >> >>> MAtt, >>> >>> I agree with you on most of your comments. >>> However, there is more to it. >>> >>> Offering VOIP is not just about making money on it. Its about >>> controlling who has access to your subscribers, if one does not have >>> the time to be a VOIP provider themselves. >>> Bundling is a necessarily part of succeeding going in to the >>> future. Its more important that ever to outsource VOIP, if it will >>> likely never be a profitable business. let someone else loose the >>> money, and reap the rewards of bundling today. Give the companies >>> access to your clients that will be the lowest threat. >>> >>> What benefit is it to allow, Vonage, ATT, Comcast, Verizon access to >>> your client base, by allowing your subscribers to choose their VOIP >>> options? >>> >>> So Matt, I agree if the ISP/WISP intends to make significant money >>> on the service, build your own. But don't knock the >>> Primus/CommPartner models, they have their purpose and will enable >>> many WISPs/ISPs to have an option to offer, that don;t have the >>> resources to build their own. >>> >>> What this industry needs to recognize is that there are industry >>> trends that are going to gain market share, because consumers demand >>> them and are willing to buy. They don't care who makes or looses >>> money, they jsut know how to compare retail price they pay to the >>> quality the receive. JUst like Muni broadband, its a reality of >>> something that is going to happen. So my point is, pick the >>> companies that you want to help succeed, and which ones you want to >>> help NOT succeed, because some of them ARE going to succeed. >>> >>> Tom DeReggi >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:09 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance >>> >>> >>>> Primus/Lingo is calling every WISP in the country trying to sign >>>> them up for a very CommPartners like deal. All of these VoIP >>>> providers are using the same shitty model that will be worthless in >>>> 2 years time. There is no money to be made in VoIP short-term >>>> unless you operate your own equipment. Long-term, there is no money >>>> to be made in VoIP at all. VoIP will soon be a loss leader; plan >>>> for it or do get into the VoIP business. >>>> >>>> BTW, Primus makes all their money on international termination. The >>>> domestic stuff is losing money hand over fist. >>>> >>>> -Matt >>>> >>>> John Scrivner wrote: >>>> >>>>> Primus tells me they are more than a VOIP company and that they do >>>>> make money. They impressed me in my dealings with them. Can you >>>>> share more about your information about Primus? I have a big >>>>> interest in knowing anything I can about them right now. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Scriv >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Peter R. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You haven't seen it yet, because Lingo is not profitable yet. >>>>>> Primus owns Lingo and Primus is basically an International VOIP >>>>>> company. >>>>>> >>>>>> Like so many VOIP Providers, they are still trying to figure out >>>>>> how to make a profit. >>>>>> >>>>>> Delta3 (which is the backend for VZ's VoiceWing) made $9.1M in >>>>>> revenue in 4Q05 and just $22k in income. >>>>>> >>>>>> Vonage has a customer acquisition cost that is 20 times their MRC. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jonathan Schmidt wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I've been personally delighted with two years of Lingo giving me >>>>>>> unlimited USA/Canada/EUROPE calling on 7 lines each for >>>>>>> $19.95/month >>>>>>> and an unusually rich set of features (like e-mailing me >>>>>>> compressed WAV >>>>>>> files of all incoming voicemails, etc.). >>>>>>> Now, that's retail w/box and support. >>>>>>> I've taken the box on trips and routed it through my laptop >>>>>>> Ethernet while >>>>>>> the laptop is on a V.32 dialup and it works but sounds kind of >>>>>>> like a cell >>>>>>> phone but having my local number with me in Europe and having >>>>>>> unlimited >>>>>>> free calls throughout Europe from Europe or Eastern Europe for ZERO >>>>>>> additional cost is kinda cool. >>>>>>> It's SIP but they keep promising a soft phone for the line, >>>>>>> like Vonaga, but >>>>>>> haven't seen it yet. >>>>>>> . . . j o n a t h a n >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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