Matt, What type VoIP are you beta-testing?
We are currently looking at asterisk, but I am concerned about how many subscribers I can maintain per PRI. So far the numbers I am getting do not add up to profitability. I almost makes more sense to resell another providers product. Victoria -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 3:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance <RANT> I've got working VOIP on my network, beta-tested and ready to roll out but without e911. I like VOIP, because I have people subscribing to our service just so they can get Vonage and ditch their land line - but this whole e911 thing is a fscking nightmare. At what point does it make more sense to say screw the 911 and just go forward? Aren't there a bunch of VOIP providers out there doing this already? The cellcos have bought out their 911 requirements year after year. I sense a court case in the making that will either force 911 adoption or throw it out for voip carriers. It is definitely a gray area right now. </RANT> Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom DeReggi wrote: >> Revenue: 174.0 million net Loss $189.6million our marketing expenses >> were $176.3million."/ > > > Wow. > > That would support my arguement that there is no part of the equation > more valuable than the portion responsible for the unique access to > the consumer via a verticle sell. > > So if I'm a wireless company, and its just thirty seconds to say, > "would you like a VOIP phone with that broadband service" at order > time, its worth gold. > Way more than 10-14% commissions. Should we be paying our wholesale > VOIP provider only $5 out of the $25 that we charge? Thats what it > would infer by Vonage's numbers above. > Maybe Vonage should have taken partners more seriously? > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:48 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance > > >> Because Vonage et al, sell Resi VOIP cheaper than TDM Voice. >> Why? Easier to market. Easier to take orders (notice I did not say >> sell?) >> But termination will be going up (already seeing rising costs for >> Dedicated LD). >> E-911 is not cheap (nor is it nationally available). >> >> You can try to work with a friendly CLEC (or become one). >> But Voice is way different from Data. >> One bad 911 and you are being sued and possibly jailed. >> Wouldn't you rather offer services that aren't competing against the >> growing monster? >> You would be better off selling cellular for a residual than selling >> VOIP. >> >> Vonage was going to IPO last year for $660M; this year they are >> looking for $220M >> >> In 1Q05: >> "Vonage Holdings Corp. Founded in 2001, the Edison (N.J.) provider of >> Internet phone service has raised $210 million and last year racked >> up about $100 million in revenue. It has spent enough on marketing in >> a bid to make itself a household name, and several VCs say it will go >> public this year or next. But critics complain that while its ads >> attract new customers, it doesn't retain as many as it should." >> >> "Om says Vonage IPO. I don't think they can wait. Reports are their >> growth is slowing, that costs are rising and that founder Jeffrey >> Citron has a bundle of his own cash in the venture." >> >> In 2006: /"The street writes: Vonage Holdings, moved to become the >> first major Internet telephony player to go public by filing >> Wednesday to raise up to $250 million via an initial offering of >> stock and named a Tyco International executive as CEO. Our revenues >> were $18.7million in 2003, $79.7million in 2004, and $174.0 million >> for the nine months ended Sept. 30, 2005," the company's prospectus >> says."While our revenues have grown rapidly, we have experienced >> increasing net losses, primarily driven by our increase in marketing >> expenses. From the period of inception through Sept.30, 2005, our >> cumulative net loss was $310 million. Our net loss for the nine >> months ended Sept.30, 2005, was $189.6million. During the same >> nine-month period, our marketing expenses were $176.3million."/ >> >> >> >> Jason Hensley wrote: >> >>> What about for those of us in small markets where the large VoIP >>> players don't have access numbers? What is your opinion on them >>> coming here? For instance, I'm in an area where the closest VoIP >>> provider's number is 100 miles away with probably 25 or so NXX's >>> that cannot call it locally. Not a feasible decision for a local >>> business as any phone calls to them will be long distance for local >>> residents. Is there a case for or against partnering / working with >>> a CLEC who has the ability to be WAY more flexible than the ILEC's, >>> have them drop you DS1's / PRI's / whatever and work with them on >>> getting local VoIP numbers for the folks in these areas? I'm >>> getting more and more people who want wireless Internet SOLELY >>> because they do not have a home phone line other than their cell >>> phone. Do you see that as what we're headed to? I do and I don't >>> personally. I think there will be a market of some kind for that, >>> but I feel as well that for at least the foreseeable future (say 10 >>> years or so), markets such as mine will not be doing away with >>> wireline. Too many challenges for both cellular providers, and >>> WISP's due to terrain and sparseness of population. >>> >>> I guess I'm having a hard time understanding why it cannot be >>> profitable, at least on some level. >> >> >> -- >> WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
