So, 3650MHz isn't going to fall under Part90 rules? Brad
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 10:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 equipment Comments inline. > Even given the 5% of WISP operators who intentionally run too much > power, I don't feel their "lawlessness" is as serious as someone who > receives a experimental license under false pretenses and then > unlawfully profits from their lawbreaking. Considering the band with be a part-15 band, I don't see why its Nearly as a big deal as someone taking a band that would have been Auctioned off for thousands upon thousands of dollars. > > By the way, which company has twenty-eight 3.6 GHz special temporary > authorizations (STAs)in 14 markets and is allegedly selling commercial > service to 2000 subscribers? I can't say due to non disclosure agreements. The funny thing about them Is they got the STA's and have yet to really use them, so all the money They spent on lawyers obtaining the STA's is going to waste anyways. > > jack > > > jeffrey thomas wrote: > >> Jack, >> >> The same would probably apply to the hundreds of WISP's who operate >> systems that break the part-15 rules regarding power output. While >> it is illegal, I currently am unaware of any operators who have recieved >> fines or anything of the sort for such behavior but it happens. Do I >> encourage this? no, but as Steve Stroh once told me, The FCC generally >> turns a blind eye until someone complains. >> >> - >> >> Jeff >> >> On Tue, 23 May 2006 15:56:03 -0700, "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> said: >> >>> Jeffrey, >>> >>> I have to question the "judgement ability" (or the lack of it) of anyone >>> who abuses the FCC rules to the extent of taking a licensed >>> "experimental" system and using it for a commercial, revenue-generating >>> purpose. Someone who would do this is (IMHO): >>> >>> 1. Someone with no business sense >>> 2. Someone with no appreciation of (or experience with) the enforcement >>> powers of the FCC >>> 3. Someone who will likely turn out to be their own worst enemy >>> 4. NOT someone who I could rely upon to provide me reliable, long-term >>> WISP service. >>> jack >>> >>> >>> >>> jeffrey thomas wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Patrick, >>>> >>>> It doesnt change the fact that many have launched "limited" deployments >>>> as a "test" but still charged for the access service, banking on the >>>> fact that the FCC has set the band aside for unlicensed anyways, and >>>> that the chance of the FCC cracking down on them is very low. >>>> >>>> Im not saying this is right, but reality is such that they will be >>>> evenutally amending the rules and the gear according to my sources that >>>> is available today will be compliant. *shrug* >>>> >>>> - >>>> >>>> Jeff >>>> >>>> On Tue, 23 May 2006 12:37:11 -0700, "Patrick Leary" >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Exactly, it clearly shows that an operator today CANNOT launch any >>>>> commercial services using 3650MHz. >>>>> >>>>> - Patrick >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Charles Wu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:40 AM >>>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650 equipment >>>>> >>>>> Read below and you can decide on whether or not you will be "breaking the >>>>> law" w/ a 3650 deployment >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------- >>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Cc: <isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 6:32 AM >>>>> Subject: [equipment-l] Experimental Licensing in the 3650 MHz Band - >>>>> Clarifications >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Recently, there have been some misleading advertisements promising >>>>> turn-key >>>>> 3.65 GHz licensing services as a means of avoiding interference in >>>>> congested >>>>> license-exempt ISM/UNII bands. Although the FCC issued adopted rules >>>>> back >>>>> in March 2005 to open access to new spectrum for wireless broadband in >>>>> the >>>>> 3.65 GHz band, a "minor" contention-based requirement has delayed the >>>>> deployment of wireless broadband services in this band as equipment >>>>> manufacturers currently work behind the scenes to iron out the details. >>>>> As >>>>> things currently stand, deploying a 3.65 GHz system today falls under >>>>> Subpart 5: Experimental Radio Service of the FCC Rules. >>>>> >>>>> Infrastructure Investment & Experimentation under Part 5 needs to be done >>>>> strictly from a "curiosity" perspective rather than one of "commercial >>>>> network expansion." Part 5 permits experimentation in scientific or >>>>> technical operations directly related to the use of radio waves. The >>>>> rules >>>>> provide the opportunity to experiment with new techniques or new services >>>>> prior to submitting proposals to the FCC to change its rules. >>>>> >>>>> Some useful excerpts regarding Experimental Licensing >>>>> >>>>> 47CFR5.3: Scope of Service >>>>> >>>>> Stations operating in the Experimental Radio Service will be permitted to >>>>> conduct the following type of operations: >>>>> (a) Experimentations in scientific or technical radio research >>>>> (b) Experimentations under contractual agreement with the United States >>>>> Government, or for export purposes. >>>>> (c) Communications essential to a research project. >>>>> (d) Technical demonstrations of equipment or techniques. >>>>> (e) Field strength surveys by persons not eligible for authorization >>>>> in >>>>> any other service. >>>>> (f) Demonstration of equipment to prospective purchasers by persons >>>>> engaged in the business of selling radio equipment. >>>>> (g) Testing of equipment in connection with production or regulatory >>>>> approval of such equipment. >>>>> (h) Development of radio technique, equipment or engineering data not >>>>> related to an existing or proposed service, including field or factory >>>>> testing or calibration of equipment. >>>>> (i) Development of radio technique, equipment, operational data or >>>>> engineering data related to an existing or proposed radio service. >>>>> (j) Limited market studies. >>>>> (k) Types of experiments that are not specifically covered under >>>>> paragraphs (a) through (j) of this section will be considered upon >>>>> demonstration of need >>>>> >>>>> 47CFR5.51: Eligibility of License >>>>> >>>>> (a) Authorizations for stations in the Experimental Radio Service will >>>>> be >>>>> issued only to persons qualified to conduct experimentation utilizing >>>>> radio >>>>> waves for scientific or technical operation data directly related to a >>>>> use >>>>> of radio not provided by existing rules; or for communications in >>>>> connection >>>>> with research projects when existing communications facilities are >>>>> inadequate. >>>>> >>>>> 47CFR5.63: Supplementary Statements >>>>> >>>>> (a) Each applicant for an authorization in the Experimental Radio >>>>> Service >>>>> must enclose with the application a narrative statement describing in >>>>> detail >>>>> the program of research and experimentation proposed, the specific >>>>> objectives sought to be accomplished; and how the program of >>>>> experimentation >>>>> has a reasonable promise of contribution to the development, extension, >>>>> or >>>>> expansion, or utilization of the radio art, or is along lines not already >>>>> investigated. >>>>> >>>>> For further information regarding experimental licensing, the FCC has a >>>>> nice >>>>> online FAQ that gives a step-by-step how-to on experimental licensing: >>>>> http://www.fcc.gov/oet/faqs/elbfaqs.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------- >>>>> CWLab >>>>> Technology Architects >>>>> http://www.cwlab.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>>> >>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>> >>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ************************************************************************** >>>>> ** >>>>> ******** >>>>> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by >>>>> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & >>>>> computer >>>>> viruses. >>>>> ************************************************************************** >>>>> ** >>>>> ******** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ************************************************************************** >>>>> ** >>>>> ******** >>>>> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by >>>>> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & >>>>> computer >>>>> viruses. >>>>> ************************************************************************** >>>>> ** >>>>> ******** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>>> >>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>> >>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> -- >>> Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. >>> Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 >>> Author of the WISP Handbook - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" >>> True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting >>> Our next WISP Workshop is June 21-22 in Atlanta, GA. >>> Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
