Anyone who thinks that providing a POTS line along with VoIP service
for 911 compliance either has read the order and/or has checked with
council. If you provide any VoIP service your VOIP must be 911
compliant as per the order. Any other services you may or others may
provide to the customer are not considered when testing your specific
service for compliance.
-Matt
On Jun 19, 2006, at 6:27 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
One way to cherry pick on VOIP is to specialize in the phone
systems and make sure that they keep at least one POTS line. Then,
even with a dead internet connection, they will still have (albeit
limited) capabilitity to get out and receive phone calls, and also
to handle 911.
I recently sold an 11 extension, four POTS line Asterisk phone
system to a small business for around $2500, phones included.
There was a considerable amount of profit margin in that amount,
and it beat the nearest local competitor by $3000. The customer
picked up my 1meg Internet service for $49.95 a month and is paying
$50/month for 3000 minutes of long distance and a toll free line.
I also get at least $35 every time they need a change made to their
phone service (new phones, reconfiguration, etc). Because the
911 and local dial tone is all on the POTS lines, you clevely
sidestep that risk. This beats the heck out of trying to do the
"outsourced PBX" service, because they have hardware onsite and
flexibility to go with multiple providers for dial tone, including
land line ones.
Just another way to look at the picture.
Matt Larsen
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Peter R. wrote:
Marlon,
He did say he was selling to SMB, not Resi.
Very few small businesses are going to use Yahoo, AIM, or MS as a
dial-tone replacement. Skype is free within the US now, so some
will try that, but there are security concerns (growing daily)
about VoIP, especially with the mandatory CALEA compliance.
(http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,19495174%5E24170%
5E%5Enbv%5E24169,00.html)
Weekly, ISPs come to me to offer VoIP. After the CommPartners
mess, I stopped referring clients to anyone. You just don't know
what the Wizard of Oz is really doing. Doing it yourself is
difficult. When you take over the dial-tone of a business, you
better make sure that you have 5 Nines of reliability with
redundancy built-in, because if the phones are working, they are
losing customers.
And, Marlon, you are correct - most VoIP Providers are NOT making
any money. 4Q05 delta3 did $9.1M in revenue and kept $25k in
income. MSOs are probably making $$ on VoIP because they own the
network, charge a higher rate, and have fixed modems that mitigate
the 911 issue. The top 7 MSOs now have 10M VoIP users.
When you consider that many CLECs like USLEC, FDN, ITC only have
25k customers and can barely eek out a living using wireline, you
have to consider that VoIP may be difficult to profit on, too.
Many will tell me that they are killing it - profitably - but
these same companies have less than 1000 broadband subscribers. At
a 15% take rate, that is 150 VoIP users. That is manageble and
using Asterisk and a CLEC PRI in a small region could be
profitable, before scale, growth, and scope start to weigh you down.
Regards,
Peter
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
I still believe that there's no money in voip for the service
provider. Not in the long term.
The money will be in the ability to offer good voip capacity but
not the voip it's self.
Yeah, I know, there are people making money with voip. I heard
that song and dance about hot spots too. IF you are one of the
few out that with just the right model, capabilities, market etc.
good for you.
For the rest of the WISP market, there's far more money to be
made over the years offering transport. Especially if the trend
for DSL and cable companies to mess up other people's voip
continues.
Here's the real nail in the coffin of voip:
http://im.yahoo.com/feat_voice.php;_ylt=AlRactYLuOa7.Wxwqq5epPBwMMIF
And that's just ONE provider. More are bound to come.
Marlon
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