Gang,

I'm not a UPS expert, but if the batteries were deeply discharged, wouldn't the extra load of the external batteries would make it hard on the ups when it tries to bring them back up?

Maybe I misunderstood the question; but, if I needed 48VDC uninterrupted, I'd string 4 deep cycle batteries together and connect a good multi-stage battery charger. Then I'd run my 48 V devices right from the batteries. If you don't need 120AC, then there's no need for a UPS. If the UPS is already there and uses a 48V stack, then I'd tap into that...

Jason

Gino A. Villarini wrote:
yes

Gino A. Villarini
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 1:14 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] DC Inverter help

Gino, are you saying

a) that you've got external, non-APC batteries plugged into your UPS and
b) that your UPS/SNMP card recognizes the charge level?

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-5555
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gino A. Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 9:02 AM
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We do it

Gino A. Villarini
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 11:14 AM
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I'm curious if anyone has a) connected external batteries to an APC UPS...
AND ... used the APC SNMP card to monitor the status of battery consumption.

I currently use APC SU700NET UPSs in external 6"-deep boxes to condition
power and provide battery backup.  The SNMP card (AP9617) will e-mail our
support if the site goes on battery power, giving us about 2.5 hours to get
up the hill with a generator.  When the batteries go below a threshold of
charge left, it e-mails to let us know it's in a critically low charge
state.

So, if we put on extra batteries, does the UPS know this and does it know
what kind of runtime it has left?

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-5555
541-998-5599 fax
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Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:15 PM
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Brian,

 I guess I am an idiot because I hadn't thought of that! I don't have any
(hardly) of my APC UPS's overloaded and it would probably be pretty easy
to
do that. I bought some rack mount Compaq 3000Watt UPS's for the NOC and
tied
4 Gel Cell 100lb batteries to each of those Compaq's. That has been
working
like a charm, but it scares the fire out of me to mess around them. While
connecting them I managed to arc the wires and that produced a ball of
fire
that was bigger than I was! I later found out those 4 12VDC batteries in a series (48VDC) produces more than enough DC voltage to knock your guts out
while it blows the bottom of your feet off.

Sorry for that story - but it may keep some of us from "leaving here
early"

Mac



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 10:00 PM
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Mac,
Can you tap in to the battery lines on the UPS and add extra
external
batteries to extend the run time? This would give you the advantage of
conditioned power and automatic switch over of the UPS, and you would
still
have any other management features of the UPS still available to you. Just
an idea to consider.



Thank You,
Brian Webster

-----Original Message-----
From: Mac Dearman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 10:35 PM
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Can anyone give me a lead as to what I am looking for? I believe this
http://tinyurl.com/lje7s is what I need, but I don't think I need 400Watts as all I will be pulling at several new tower sites are a few RB532's with
their radios. I think I ought to keep the RB532s powered at 48VDC as they
will be in excess of 200' up a tower. My intentions are to put a couple
Marine batteries in an enclosure for back up power and have the DC
inverter
to keep them charged and have a seamless transfer if a power outage comes
along. I have been putting these big honking APC UPSs in all my
enclosures,
but am trying to get something that will last longer in times of outages

Any help would surely be a appreciated.

Thanks folks,
Mac


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