<snip> 25 pack: LITE: $129 NET ($149 - 40 + 10) -- (this is currently a promo that ends December 31) Normal: $237 NET ($267 - 40 + 10)
100 pack: Normal: $186 NET ($216 - $40 + 10) </snip> Lol -- can't add -- should be 25 pack: LITE: $119 NET ($149 - 40 + 10) -- (this is currently a promo that ends December 31) Normal: $237 NET ($267 - 40 + 10) 100 pack: Normal: $186 NET ($216 - $40 + 10) -Charles ------------------------------------------- Operating Manager - CTI Yes...I'm back WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 10:19 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs If you're serving the residential market, and price is the big concern, it's worth noting that Canopy has a $40 / customer "residential rebate program" that's been going on for almost 2 years now It's also worth noting with Canopy that you need to add ~$10 / unit for power supplies (they are sold separately) Regarding pricing <snip> AP = $898 (Advantage $1554) Single pricing CPE = $267 (Advantage $402 ) 25pack pricing Add $40 a unit for 15 mile range (stinger or beehive dish all FCC certified) CPE = $216 (Advantage $324) 100 pack pricing Add $25 a unit for 15 mile range (stinger or beehive dish all FCC certified) </snip> CPE pricing (if you're focusing on residential), should be adjusted to 25 pack: LITE: $129 NET ($149 - 40 + 10) -- (this is currently a promo that ends December 31) Normal: $237 NET ($267 - 40 + 10) 100 pack: Normal: $186 NET ($216 - $40 + 10) Additionally, there are companies out there with Motorola Approved 0% Financing programs that will let you spread your larger pack CPE consumption over a longer period of time and get you to the next tier bundle pack price, so you don't tie up important your working capital in inventory / gear -Charles ------------------------------------------- Operating Manager - CTI Yes...I'm back WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Will Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] vendor specs Your numbers are a bit off on the canopy and when i looked on the trango site it looks more in the range of $400 per unit at 30 pack pricing for trango's. I believe your getting that price but at what qualities? I have a couple hundred in the air and I have Midwest Wireless the 5th largest WISP in the country playing in my back yard using Alvarions junk BA2 system all over the place. And I also have a local ILEC, Stonebridge and the remains of Xtratyme all over the rest of my coverage area. My PtmP system is all 900mhz and 2.4 ghz using omni's and I dont have any issues with interference. The longest customer link I have on 900mhz is 18.5 miles and the longest 2.4 link is 12 miles. I use omni's so that I dont completely destroy the airwaves for others that are playing in the same sand box. Canopy pricing: AP = $898 (Advantage $1554) Single pricing CPE = $267 (Advantage $402 ) 25pack pricing Add $40 a unit for 15 mile range (stinger or beehive dish all FCC certified) CPE = $216 (Advantage $324) 100 pack pricing Add $25 a unit for 15 mile range (stinger or beehive dish all FCC certified) Anthony Will Broadband Corp. Travis Johnson wrote: > Hi, > > I changed the subject line to reflect more the direction of this > discussion (Trango vs. Canopy vs. Alvarion)... ;) > > This is just off the top of my head, and I would love to see more data > on any of these radios: > > Trango 5830AP - $1,079 retail > Dual polarity > 10Mbps (auto up/down ratio) > Easy management (CLI and web) > $149 CPE ($199 up to 10 miles) > > Canopy 5.7 AP - $970 (Advantage $1,974) > C/I advantage > Fixed up/down ratio > $490 CPE ($737 advantage) > > Alvarion VL AP - $4,500 (rough retail) > 36Mbps and 40,000pps > $1,000 CPE > > For whatever it's worth, we have over 2,500 CPE in the air and over > 2,000 are Trango (900mhz, 2.4ghz, 5.8ghz). The Trango product has > worked very well for us, and we are located on some mountaintop > repeater locations that literally have over 100 antennas (paging, HAM, > WISPs, etc.) within 100 yards of each other. > > Our biggest problem is frequency availability at all (regardless of > radio choice)... we have a 2.4ghz AP at a repeater station that is > "full". We attempted to install a second sector today and ran a site > survey at this location.... across the entire 2.4ghz band, the > "average" signals ranged from -25 to -55 at the best. :( > > Travis > Microserv > > Jon Langeler wrote: > >> Tom, I have nothing to gain or lose by telling you what we've not >> only extensivley tested but also experienced over 6 years. We started >> using canopy since it began shipping and at least 100 trango SU >> between 3 different towers since beta. I just hate to see fellow wisp >> protest that there isn't a good product and struggle when their >> actually is a pretty darn good one...and on top of that has an >> upgrade path in it's vision, it keeps getting better. >> >> ARQ does not affect C/I like FEC does for example. When you say ARQ >> is fixing any resiliance problems that may be true. But you'll also >> suffer from increased latency and less throughput during those >> retransmissions. Not good if you want to support VOIP and keep >> customers happy. Having a low C/I means the system will be stable >> more often and maintain a lower retrans. Trango's ARQ is not even an >> option in the 5800 model which is what you and I probably have a >> decent percentage of in our Trango networks. Having a low C/I >> requirement affects other things like increases the range of a >> product. I'm laying out facts, you can convince yourself of whatever >> you want... >> >> Jon Langeler >> Michwave Tech. >> >> Tom DeReggi wrote: >> >>> Nice try, but I've found that comment to be not at all true. I have >>> often chosen to avoid canopy user's channels, but because I am a >>> good WISP neighbor, not because I had to. Why fight if you can >>> cooperate. On a SPEC sheet Canopy does boast the lowest C/I. But >>> Trango's specified C/I was reported before considering ARQ. And >>> Trango has always underspec'd their spec sheets. C/I is not nearly >>> as relevant as SNR resilience anyway. With Arq, we've easilly ran >>> links as low as 4 db above the average noise floor, reliably. There >>> is VERY little difference between the Trango and Canopy C/I in real >>> world usage. The Trango just adds more polarities as more options >>> to work around it, when needed. One of the reasons we like Trango >>> is its resilience to noise, that gives us the abilty to fight it out >>> and stand our ground. The Foxes w/ DISH, have excellent ARQ and >>> resilience to Noise, within their range and LOS. >>> >>> When we start to have trouble with Trango, is when we start to push >>> the limits of the technology. Its a LOS technology that we attempt >>> NLOS with. My arguement is also not that we can't be the last man >>> standing. Its that when the battle happens the customer sees it, and >>> the customer does not tolerate it. IF a Canopy and Trango went to >>> war, one might survive a little better than the other, but >>> ultimately both customers would feel the interference the majority >>> of the time. >>> >>> Tom DeReggi >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
