----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] from WISPA's home page....
> We've got a long way to go yet. No, we have 3 weeks. > > But here are a few things so far. > > You don't NEED a safe harbor. You don't HAVE to follow anyone's industry > standard to be compliant. No, of course not. Can YOU do this on your own? I suspect not. > > You don't need a TTP. Only if you're so well educated in networking that you can use the VERY geeky tools out there to rip the data and headers apart and put it all back together in the form they demand it be provided in... with perfect accuracy. > > What you DO have to do is collect specific data. How you do so is up to > you. Of course. Since most of us can't do that, we HAVE to have third party something, be it software or hardware or services. > > You do have to do it without tipping off the suspect. > > You do have to be able to verify it's authenticity at a later date. This means you better be an expert at what you're doing. I have a decent understanding of what's asked for, but absolutely NO practical experience, and not even any theoretical education on how its done. > > You do have to do as much as you can to help LEA. If you do not follow *a* > standard, you've got to try to do anything that LEA asks of you. If you > follow a standard then you only have to do what is required by the standard. In other words, if you don't follow a "standard" then you're totally screwed, unless you have one of those brilliant geniuses on staff who can do anything. > > CALEA is reasonable just like emissions on power plants is reasonable. > Mark, when you were a mechanic you had to dispose of old oil, solvents, > brake dust etc. in specific ways that were more expensive than just dumping > it in the parking lot or down the drain. The costs are sometimes Sure. We BURNED IT. Got useful heat from it. > transferred to the end user because it's REASONABLE for the business > operator (or home owner or whatever) to take some responsibility for making > this a better country. No shame in that. NOT AT ALL. It is NOT "reasonable" to expect the vast majority of the operators to be able to do ANY of this, from the 24/7/365 phone answering to the deep technical knowledge, to the redesign of networks to the incredibly expensive TTP's. Trust me, Marlon, those TTP's are out to screw you as hard as they can. Competition? There WILL NOT BE ANY. If you have to sign an NDA to get a price, this is worse than the telephone company's competition- which does not exist. > > By the time we (wispa) get done with CALEA we'll have a low/no cost option > for the average company. Some of you will likely have to redesign your Marlon, THERE IS NO AVERAGE COMPANY! That's the whole problem in a nutshell. The AVERAGE is going to be very small, since the vast majority of networks (by number) are little bitty things with 1 to 20 people informally sharing something. > networks a bit. That won't be all bad as you'll also have more ability to > understand what's happening on your network and to stop things like > broadcast storms etc. I built my network right to begin with. I have no issues whatsoever with broadcast storms or otherwise. I only have to deal with things like virus and malware infected clients. > > You guys really do have to stop panicking! You're scaring the stuffing out > of too many people. This isn't a bad law and it's doesn't have to be > horribly expensive. You still do not get it. IT IS WRONG for them to transfer law enforcement duties to us, for their convenience. Dangit Marlon, it's just as if the cops demanded the gas stations GIVE them all the gas their cars need, and that the restaurants feed them for free and mechanics fix the cars for free, ISP's give them internet for free, telcos give them phones for free, blah, blah, blah. And darnit, I want to scare the stuffing out of EVERYONE so they'll stop being passive fools and STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES, instead of being wiped out like lemmings. > > MOST of us will likely have hybrid plans in place. Some of the work we'll > do ourselves with our routers, servers etc. Some of the work we'll contract > out to people like Bearhill. And who can afford a TTP? Maybe you can. I don't even collect a paycheck. Where the hell do you think that money will come from? Gads. Have you completely forgotten what it was like to start up? Just hanging on by your teeth, when you had to buy stuff in 1's and 2's and 5's because that's ALL THERE WAS in the bank and all there was going to be? You never had to ask people for 10 days or 30 days now and then on a bill? You think money just grows on trees and we're all swimming in the falling leaves? > > marlon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:02 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] from WISPA's home page.... > > > > Those prices don't make me happy either. I have not heard an official > > anything yet from the wispa calea group. I don't believe they are done > > with their activities. > > It would be good to hear what they have to say concerning methods of > > compliance and costs. > > > > > > I read a doc that said a 15k isp could be 150k it also said it knew some > > isps had meager budgets and they said they will deal with that. 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