Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email

Thu, 17 May 2007 07:50:01 -0700

Very good points George. Frank has definitely worked hard to show his support of WISPA and deserves our gratitude for sure. Frank, we all thank you for everything you have done and continue to do for WISPA. You are a friend to our organization and we appreciate you very much.
Just so you guys all know. I see that Dee has sent in his application for Vendor Membership to WISPA. He is not paid up yet but it appears he is taking steps to put his money where his mouth is. Alls well that ends well. :-) 
Scriv


George Rogato wrote:
You are right Johnny, I was not trying to be harsh, but I right to the point.
As a member of the WISPA Board of Directors, you all should know that if you are a paying WISPA member I'm going to cover your back and give you as much benefit as possible.
Membership has privilege. If you are a paying member of WISPA, then I'm going to back you all the way.
Frank pays a 1,000.00 per year membership. He also has funded FCC trips at 500.00 per pop for those going to CALEA meetings. Aside from that he has given WISPA very expensive booth space at ISPCON, bought refreshments for the WISPA gathering and offered to buy any wisps 250.00 WISPA membership that bought his product.
Nobody else has gone this far and he ain't a wisp or selling wireless anything. He just believes in our organization and sells a product that many can use to offload overhead.
Dee is also a good guy, but he's not exactly paying dues of any kind. He could buy an inexpensive membership to help support this organization, but has not. But he is here and on the other lists to let you all know he is a distributor if a couple of products. I don't really have a problem with that but dues paying members come first.
I say if it comes down to making a paying member happy or letting the paying member get his toes stepped on by a non paying member, I have to side with the paying member. After all that is the least WISPA can do to give back to those that support us. 

George



JohnnyO wrote:
Frank - Muto had a very valid reason to "whin" as you say it. Muto pays WISPA a good amount of $$ to be a Vendor Member of WISPA. Dee has contributed nothing other then for his own personal gain.
For Dee to make an appology and then change his signature to reflect another "free plug" was a bit out of line I think.
Either way, paying members are what are going to get things done for our organization. If a vendor is going to support us financially, then we need to stand behind them and support them in anyway possible as an organization. And if that means slapping the hands of vendors that don't pay, when they get out of line, then so be it.
I don't feel Rick, George, Muto was immature or out of line in bringing this to as someone said "the rubber meets the road". 

JohnnyO
----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Crawford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:35 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Muto whins, Rick responds, George puffs up and threatens Dee, Dee apoligies, 
Muto dis's the apology.

Very mature guy's.


----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Muto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
That was not the point and now you changed your signature to promote your products, nice. The point is that you are promoting your services, nothing 
wrong about it really, but pay for it. If you do not see any value in


paying
for the privilege to participate as a vendor sponsor of WISPA, then stop 
acting like one.
Talking about products, pro-cons, best use, warranties etc., is all well 

and


good. But to directly solicit business on this WISPA list-srv with a
competitive product, is not an acceptable practice in my opinion.

Apology not accepted.



Frank Muto
President
FSM Marketing Group, Inc
Postini Partner Reseller
www.SecureEmailPlus.com

ISPCON Spring 2007
May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
LaunchPad Pavilion J









----- Original Message ----- From: "W.D.McKinney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


> Hi Frank,
>
> I was not saying anything for or against you, Postini or Barracuda.
> If you you took offense at my statements, my apologies.
>
> Cheers,
> -Dee
>
>
> Alaska Wireless Systems
> 1(907)240-2183 Cell
> 1(907)349-2226 Fax
> 1(907)349-4308 Office
> www.akwireless.net
> Barracuda Networks Diamond Reseller
> Imagestream Router & WAN Cards
> Force10 Networks Reseller
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Frank Muto
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: WISPA General List
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:55:33 -0800
> Subject:
> Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
>
>
>> As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I


take


>> offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I


looked


>> on
>> the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a 
>> logo
>> displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor.
>>
>>
>> Frank Muto
>> President
>> FSM Marketing Group, Inc
>> Postini Partner Reseller
>> www.SecureEmailPlus.com
>>
>> ISPCON Spring 2007
>> May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
>> LaunchPad Pavilion J
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "W.D.McKinney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>>
>>
>> > Hi Folks,
>> >
>> > As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out >> > of >> > dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of >> > selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It >> > varies 
>> > on
>> > which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get.
>> >
>> > We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have >> > them, 
>> > so
>> > it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the
>> > experienced
>>
>> > walk with a limp)
>> >
>> > We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail 

for


>> > WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > -Dee
>> >
>> > Alaska Wireless Systems
>> > 1(907)240-2183 Cell
>> > 1(907)349-2226 Fax
>> > 1(907)349-4308 Office
>> > www.akwireless.net
>> >
>>
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