Scriv, I can see where you are coming from, but is this not an open list? I think that denying a person advice based on their business structure is a bit rude. I'm not sure how this would come across to Robert, but I know how it would come across to me. Business research is done everyday by doing exactly what Robert is doing, asking questions. Yes, I have a chip on my shoulder to the fact their company is making money off of bringing customers to Verizon, but he would do that if he came here for advice or not. I see this as an opportunity to relate what the services the WISPS on this list provide to someone that only has the experience with Verizon. I see this as an opportunity to possibly bring a customer or 2 to me, nothing more. I am willing to pay for a customer. I't called acquisition costs. Weather its in the cost to keep a customer happy so you get the word out that you have good service or a couple greebacks, the outcome is the same, I want a customer that generates revenue. Sure network condition, price, population density, and market have just as much to do with it, but are only small parts of a larger plan.
I have many times thought "It would be nice to have a small display in radio shack like all the cell providers do". Well, Isn't quite the case but it can, potentially, be a source of potential customers that costs me nothing up front, nothing to setup, and could provide me with a customer. The details are just important. Residual, bounty, lead, whatever the case may be, I'm sure that we could come to terms with an arrangement that bennifits myself, Robert, and my newly acquired customer. If its residual, they could be paid a % if and only if the customer pays their bill. No risk there. If it's bounty, then I would pay after a set # of months of a current account, if it were for a lead, then I would have to say let it be web based and let the server app to take care of the lead > customer potential payout, still if only they become a paying customer. These are just what I can think of off the top of my head. I would put it up to Robert to figure out and draft the plan. If I like it ok... If not, no harm done to me. This is why I don't feel he should be bashed and ask for a vendor membership, if they were to want to do something through WISPA, as involving WISPA in the process, sure maybe then WISPA does deserve a "fair share", but at this point, I don't see how that would be fair, as the only thing Robert is using of WISPA is the forum, which is open to anyone, right. When he decides it's worth his money to invest in a $500.00 a month ad through WISPA because it makes sense to his company, then can he ask questions? BTW, RObert, I would be happy to talk to you about setting up a WISP referal system, not just for me, but for any wisp out there, I would be happy to help with the technical side of things and the actual lead, bounty, referal structure, all worked into 1 seamless system that would benefit all WISPS that would like to be involved.....free, free for my help and to involve any WISP- free. sorry, no grammar or spell check..... Zack Kneisley CTO/Chief Network Engineer Giga-Data LLC Office: 740.432.3130 Cell:740.255.6253 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.firewireinternet.com Your one stop shop for Blazing Broadband Internet DSL, Wireless, Dialup, Webhosting, & Network Specialists. On 8/3/07, John Scrivner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So I guess his business research that we are all helping him to acquire > is not worth anything? I guess I see WISPA as being worth more than some > here do. I have personally spent $1250.00 in WISPA direct dues payments > (for yearly Principal Membership dues and $1000 for 700 MHz Committee > dues) in the last year alone. I also donate hundreds of hours a year to > maintaining these lists along with Rick Harnish. I DO THIS FOR FREE > FOLKS. The guy asking for business research from all of you pays us > nothing and is looking to profit from you. I like to think what I share > here has value. Excuse me for thinking others who gain from this group > effort should pay their fair share. I take offense to others profiting > from us without throwing some money into the pot. If any of you make use > of WISPA resources and think you get value from this effort then please > feel free to join us by going to http://signup.wispa.org. I am paying my > dues. Are you? > Scriv > > > > Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: > > I don't think it's bad to use us as a sounding board. If he comes > > back and tries to sell something here that's bad. I see no problem > > with asking people about products and services they'd like though. > > That's what this list is here for. > > > > As for prequal, I'm not worried about that. Even bad leads help to > > tell me where to go next. > > > > I'd only pay for customers actually connected though. Not the leads > > themselves. > > > > Marlon > > (509) 982-2181 > > (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services > > 42846865 (icq) WISP Operator since > > 1999! > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > www.odessaoffice.com/wireless > > www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 7:28 AM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell? > > > > > >> I would never pay recurring commissions. I do not know if I would pay > >> for a lead from a Google map system unless it was pre-qualified as > >> being someone who really does want the service. Sometimes people just > >> browse to see what's out there. > >> > >> I really do wish people such as yourself would join us as a vendor > >> member since it is obvious you stand to gain significantly by > >> accessing the hundreds of operators who use our list by selling your > >> wares to them. The address is http://signup.wispa.org. We appreciate > >> what you are doing here but let's face it, you plan to sell us > >> qualified leads if I am reading your intent. So why not be a vendor > >> or stop using us as your sounding board? > >> Scriv > >> > >> > >> Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor wrote: > >>> Marlon, Jerome, > >>> > >>> so are we talking $5-10 per customer or $5-10 per month commission > >>> payout as long as the customer pays? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 8/2/07, Jeromie Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I to would be interested in such a referral program. Spot checking is > >>>> a great idea and could worked right into the referral form by asking > >>>> them to update them on the status with a email in 60 ~90 days. My > >>>> referrals and relay hosts shake out to the same price, $5 per user or > >>>> customer signup. A few of the referrals come out to $10 (free service > >>>> as right now i have "spare" bw), both are credits on the next bill. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 8/2/07, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor > >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Marlon, guys, > >>>>> is there an industry standard referral commission? > >>>>> anyone out there service europe? > >>>>> I'd be happy to send you biz since the majority of visitors that > come > >>>>> to our site need FIXED not mobile internet > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 8/2/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> How about selling me customers? I'll provide a coverage map and > >>>>>> when > >>>>>> someone in there contacts you, you forward the info to us. We'll > >>>>>> try to > >>>>>> sell the account, when we do, we owe you money. Say $10 or $20. > >>>>>> You get to > >>>>>> "own" that referral for 6 to 12 months. We may not be able to > >>>>>> get to them > >>>>>> today, but can with the next expansion. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You'd have to at least spot check the ones we say we can't do to > >>>>>> make sure > >>>>>> we're not sending in false reports etc. but with today's long > >>>>>> distance rates > >>>>>> that shouldn't be hard to do. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> just a thought. > >>>>>> Marlon > >>>>>> (509) 982-2181 > >>>>>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services > >>>>>> 42846865 (icq) WISP Operator > >>>>>> since 1999! > >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless > >>>>>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>> From: "Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>> To: "wispa" <wireless@wispa.org> > >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:03 AM > >>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Google: Wireless Internet - What to Sell? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Team, Marlon, et al, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Need your help to get to next level. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> We are finally #1 in google under wireless internet. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> we get LOTS of traffic to our main site daily looking for wireless > >>>>>>> internet service. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> BUT we only sell EVDO. ugh. AND we only get a one time bounty. any > >>>>>>> recommendations on what else and HOW else we can deliver > >>>>>>> goods/services/subscriptions to our traffic base??? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> blank slate. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Provider > >>>>>>> http://evdo-coverage.com/satellite-wireless-internet.html > >>>>>>> http://iptv-coverage.com http://wimax-coverage.com > >>>>>>> 2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101 > >>>>>>> Suite 203 > >>>>>>> Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007 > >>>>>>> 206 984 0880 > >>>>>>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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