Hey Mac, 

You can disagree with disrespect, this is opinion. :>

However, let me break this down for you and others on this thread.

If 1 guy moves in the area, follows the rules and raises the noise floor, 
should you be able to engage in anti-competitive practices by asking that he be 
shut down?  What if 15 move into your area and all compete?  

The only way that I could see having a leg to stand on is if he is deliberately 
attempting to interfere with your business instead of pursuing his normal 
course of business.

As one guy pointed out, I am not a lawyer.  

David
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:50 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference Situations

I disagree totally :) with all respect! 

I also think that Canopy ought to be illegal in the USA. They built
something that is totally spectrally unfriendly - on purpose! The commercial
that they use to air was "the last man standing." I didn't say that Canopy
didn't build some pretty good gear - I said I hate their guts and wouldn't
hang it if it were given to me for free due to the noise they create. I
would love to see their gear recalled and outlawed. I can produce that
commercial/ad in court and if you think you would stand a chance in civil
court against an ad like that - - you are in for a surprise - - -unlicensed
spectrum or not!

  We (all the WISP's) have a pact in N. Louisiana - - no one buys Canopy! 


Mac



> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of David Peterson
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 4:32 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference
> Situations
> 
> I would have to disagree with most of this thread.  You have two things
> going against you in this.
> 
> 1.  A free market economy.
> 2.  License Free spectrum.
> 
> You can no more sue for someone putting up wireless in your "area" than
> you can if you owned a restaurant and McDonalds moved in next door.
> This is a critical component of American society, so I doubt that any
> judge would even allow the suit to ever get in front of a jury.  If you
> can prove they are doing something illegal, like shooting your antennas
> with a .22 you might have a chance.
> 
> License free spectrum means that you are going to get interference.
> Period.  If interference were actionable, then Canopy would be out of
> business.  Let's face it guys, Canopy interferes with most of all other
> equipment in its spectrum.  By now, someone would have sued Canopy both
> on their equipment and on their marketing.  (Who has seen the Wireless
> Thug pic at the shows.  I know I have.)
> 
> Your best bet is to prove that they are using unauthorized gear such as
> amps, etc. and cajole the FCC into investigating.
> 
> David Peterson
> WirelesGuys Inc.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Mac Dearman
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 6:00 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference
> Situations
> 
> Jack,
> 
>    I don't think it would have to be anything illegal about the
> interference. If someone moves into an area established by you  - where
> you
> have an ongoing business and (for instance) someone hangs some Canopy
> and
> creates the inability to recover from the noise - - that is a law suit
> in
> the making. I am sure you would have to do all you could do and present
> the
> evidence of such, but the one who knocked you oout of business would be
> responsible for your lost income.
> 
>  My partner (20% owner) is a Corporate attorney and we have had this
> discussion on several occasions. I will ask him what his take on this
> is and
> what grounds he bases this line of thought.
> 
> Mac
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On
> > Behalf Of George Rogato
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:09 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Legal Charges used in Malicious Interference
> > Situations
> >
> > Onlist for my reply.
> > It's also a good onlist discusion.
> >
> > I have always believed that there is some way to combat someone who
> > intentionally causes interference with an existing network to cause
> > harm
> > to the business or operation and or for financial gain.
> >
> > I'm not a lawyer, so I can't even give any advice that would be
> worthy
> > of taking to court.
> >
> > But, to me, it's just unbelievable that criminal case can't be
> brought
> > against the offending party. The same way the Ricco statutes were
> first
> > used against the mob and in other racketeering cases.
> >
> >
> > Statutory remedies for intentional acts. Many statutes provide
> remedies
> > for intentional harms. Civil rights statutes provide remedies for
> > intentional discrimination. Consumer fraud statutes provide remedies
> > for
> > unlawful trade practices. The federal RICCO statute provides remedies
> > for victims of conspiratorial intentional conduct.
> >
> > http://www.rnoon.com/law_for_laymen/litigation/intent.html
> >
> >
> > Jack Unger wrote:
> > > It's hard for me to accept that there are a few inconsiderate
> bullies
> > > out there who would intentionally and maliciously jam other WISPs
> in
> > > order to take over the customer base. I have recently seen probable
> > > evidence of just such behavior. Because the FCC has no law (that I
> > know
> > > of) against this disgraceful behavior, legal recourse needs to be
> > made
> > > in state court and state laws do vary from state to state.
> > >
> > > Would anyone who has fought against this type of unethical behavior
> > > please share with me (offlist please) what State law(s) they used?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > >
> > > jack
> > >
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