Which is then the more important to file on this petition because what Vuze, Inc want is to prohibit any type of bandwidth management on the bittorrent connection. SO if they "win" then you might not be allowed to do this.
/ Eje -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 12:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC In my opinion, a monthly bandwidth cap and throttling during peak hours should do fine for the download on these apps. As for the upload, TOS can prohibit your customer connections from being a server, thereby prohibiting the upload, at least in policy. This comes up all the time, and we know that we should not, but often do, lose money on a small number of subscribers. I say that this is unacceptable (losing $$ for any subscriber whose connection is working properly). A mixture of throttling, bandwidth caps & extra charges, and TOS should be deployed in every single provider's business strategy, ESPECIALLY the small provider. If you have not addressed this within your business, it should be done. In my opinion. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998-5555 541-998-5599 fax ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC >I would think that any application should be allowed to run, with the >expectation of reasonable throughput. IE: real time communications or >streams should be permitted unregulated within that user's plan, but that >general file sharing be allowed to be restricted, yet still having a >reasonable capacity. It's up to someone smarter than myself to figure out >better wording. > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eje Gustafsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 11:21 AM > Subject: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC > > >>I looked in the mailing list but there seem at least not to been any >> discussion about this. If there been my apologies. >> >> >> As some of you might know there is a petition turned over to the FCC that >> relates to net neutrality. Vuze, Inc is a video content provider whom >> utilizes bittorrent protocol to deliver their content to the end user. >> Due >> to the recent articles and discoveries where Comcast seems to either be >> blocking peer to peer traffic or as they claim bandwidth manage it (but >> according to end users and some tests) to a point where it's impossible >> to >> get any data through Vuze, Inc have filed a petition asking FCC to rule >> about the bandwidth management handling. >> >> >> >> If they get their way and FCC rules in their favor as I see it this could >> be >> a major problem for anyone in the ISP market especially the small >> players. >> If you throttle or block peer to peer traffic in any way then this could >> potentially have a huge impact on you and your network. >> >> The reason most ISP's are throttle this traffic is to prevent abuse of >> your >> network and control the impact these fileshare applications can have on >> the >> network which can/will cause problems for other customers that try to use >> the internet interactively while the fileshare (ab)user more then likely >> is >> not even at their computer. >> >> >> >> For many ISPs internet bandwidth can cost them anywhere from $100 to >> $1000 >> per megabit and many times access is sold for $30-$60 for 512k-1.5Mbit. >> So >> what could the result be of this petition if you ask me. Considerable >> increase of service fees to the customers which might mean that they >> leave >> for a larger ISP (cable co, phone co) because their cost for access is >> generally far less and they can be more competitive. In markets where you >> compete with these carriers I feel that one of the way you can compete is >> by selling similar service level at similar prices but manage the >> bandwidth >> better to avoid abuse of your network and this way level the market more. >> So >> read the petition. I urge all WISP's to comment on this petition. Explain >> why you feel not being allowed to manage this traffic would be a bad >> thing >> and what the economical impact could be. I would love to see the big guys >> be >> prohibited from bandwidth manage peer to peer traffic but still allow the >> smaller players to continue to manage this traffic. >> >> >> >> Personally I think it's wrong to blatantly block it unless your in an >> extreme rural area and bandwidth is an extreme problem. Ie some providers >> in >> for example Alaska are limited to satellite feeds that are not very fast >> and >> costs an incredible amount or where the highest feed they can get is a T1 >> or >> two at outrageous price and the infrastructure behind the T1 can not >> handle >> large amount of traffic. >> >> >> >> Below is a link to the Petition filed by Vuze, Inc to FCC. >> >> >> <http://www.vistaprint.com/vp/gateway.aspx?S=5176697856> >> >> http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf >> <http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_docume >> nt=6519811711> &id_document=6519811711 >> >> >> >> / Eje >> >> WISP-Router, Inc. >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >> WISPA Wants You! 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