Very true. But when it comes to illegal content this might and not necessary is the case. In the case with Vuze they use bittorrent to deliver legal video content. Same thing with for example WoW they use if memory serves me right bittorrent to deliver the sometimes very big software updates they distribute to their players. Also you have Napster that uses a peer to peer filesharing protocol for their paid service. So blocking peer to peer filesharing protocols is just plainly bad due to their usage in legal applications. But yes there are also plenty of illegal uses for the said.
Vuze want to prohibit any type of limitations or blocking which means if they get their way you as an WISP wouldn't be able to throttle or limit the communication from your customer. Could your business handle this today? What would you have to change to be able to track bit usage and charge bit usage. Could you be able to continue to compete against the cable companies and phone companies that might or might not institute bit caps especially if they do not institute bit caps? Comment on the petition by Vuze and let yourself be heard. / Eje -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Will Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 1:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC Here is some food for thought, We may want to approach this issue with a free market approach. We may want to emphasize that the free market can and will self regulate this behavior. If Comcast is discouraging their customers from operating this type of software, that creates an opportunity for another operator to move into the area that does not. We do have to keep in the back of our mind that the main issue for us as wireless operators is that P2P solutions create an burden on our systems not so much for bandwidth but on the amount of connections that are created by this type of software. One P2P application that goes wild with 2000+ connctions can bring an AP to its knees thus effecting 50 - 200 other customers on that same AP. We may also want to empathize that his type of "distributed" content if allowed to continue likely will lead to bit caps or other types of metered solutions for customers. Vuze and other "content" providers are looking to use our infrastructure to implement their business plans without paying for that distribution, with the minor exception of a one time "seeding" of that contact to the Internet. This is in my opinion as close to theft as you can get without crossing the line. The only recourse that operators will have is to implement a bit cap (by the way this is common in almost every other part of the world) in order to fund the increased infrastructure needed to carry these content providers products for them. Ultimately the customer is the one that is going to have to pay for this and other organizations bypassing of the reasonable cost for the distribution of THEIR content. Of course we would also want to put in there the reality that the vast majority of the content provided by P2P is the illegal distribution of copywrited materials. Looking forward to the discussion, Mike Hammett wrote: > I would think that any application should be allowed to run, with the > expectation of reasonable throughput. IE: real time communications > or streams should be permitted unregulated within that user's plan, > but that general file sharing be allowed to be restricted, yet still > having a reasonable capacity. It's up to someone smarter than myself > to figure out better wording. > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eje Gustafsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 11:21 AM > Subject: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC > > >> I looked in the mailing list but there seem at least not to been any >> discussion about this. If there been my apologies. >> >> >> As some of you might know there is a petition turned over to the FCC >> that >> relates to net neutrality. Vuze, Inc is a video content provider whom >> utilizes bittorrent protocol to deliver their content to the end >> user. Due >> to the recent articles and discoveries where Comcast seems to either be >> blocking peer to peer traffic or as they claim bandwidth manage it (but >> according to end users and some tests) to a point where it's >> impossible to >> get any data through Vuze, Inc have filed a petition asking FCC to rule >> about the bandwidth management handling. >> >> >> >> If they get their way and FCC rules in their favor as I see it this >> could be >> a major problem for anyone in the ISP market especially the small >> players. >> If you throttle or block peer to peer traffic in any way then this could >> potentially have a huge impact on you and your network. >> >> The reason most ISP's are throttle this traffic is to prevent abuse >> of your >> network and control the impact these fileshare applications can have >> on the >> network which can/will cause problems for other customers that try to >> use >> the internet interactively while the fileshare (ab)user more then >> likely is >> not even at their computer. >> >> >> >> For many ISPs internet bandwidth can cost them anywhere from $100 to >> $1000 >> per megabit and many times access is sold for $30-$60 for >> 512k-1.5Mbit. So >> what could the result be of this petition if you ask me. Considerable >> increase of service fees to the customers which might mean that they >> leave >> for a larger ISP (cable co, phone co) because their cost for access is >> generally far less and they can be more competitive. In markets where >> you >> compete with these carriers I feel that one of the way you can >> compete is >> by selling similar service level at similar prices but manage the >> bandwidth >> better to avoid abuse of your network and this way level the market >> more. So >> read the petition. I urge all WISP's to comment on this petition. >> Explain >> why you feel not being allowed to manage this traffic would be a bad >> thing >> and what the economical impact could be. I would love to see the big >> guys be >> prohibited from bandwidth manage peer to peer traffic but still allow >> the >> smaller players to continue to manage this traffic. >> >> >> >> Personally I think it's wrong to blatantly block it unless your in an >> extreme rural area and bandwidth is an extreme problem. Ie some >> providers in >> for example Alaska are limited to satellite feeds that are not very >> fast and >> costs an incredible amount or where the highest feed they can get is >> a T1 or >> two at outrageous price and the infrastructure behind the T1 can not >> handle >> large amount of traffic. >> >> >> >> Below is a link to the Petition filed by Vuze, Inc to FCC. >> >> >> <http://www.vistaprint.com/vp/gateway.aspx?S=5176697856> >> >> http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf >> <http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_docume >> >> nt=6519811711> &id_document=6519811711 >> >> >> >> / Eje >> >> WISP-Router, Inc. >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >> >> WISPA Wants You! 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