What do you use for throttling?  Cisco policing?  Mikrotik? 


Chuck McCown wrote:
We sell 10.2 Mbps burst service.  And most of them actually get that speed.
If they start streaming or downloading a large file, we throttle them down. 
Most are at 768.
When the stream or download stops, they go back to wide open throttle. 
Customers love it.

----- Original Message ----- 
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Chuck,

What speeds do you sell to your end customers at 128:1 oversub?

(I am assuming that you never really go this high!) :)

ryan

-----Original Message-----
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That is pretty much what we do on Motorola Canopy.
20 MHz channels.
128:1 (or less) over subscription
10 Mbps
First AP and BH would be in the $5K range
Second AP would be in the $2K range.  (depending on antennas etc).

We are waiting to see what the OFDM product will do.  Smaller channels.
More speed.
(more money too).

----- Original Message ----- 
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Anyone doing a 20 MHz channel?

Would that be enough capacity to allow for typical oversubscription on 
say
      
a
10 meg client?

What does it cost to get the first AP up ($5k, $15k, $50k)?

What does it cost to get additional APs up ($2k, $10k, $30k)?


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----- Original Message ----- 
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Chuck,

Airspan / Aperto are both shipping 5x Ghz wimax products.

Throughput is about 26mb peak for the Airspan product on 10mhz
channels, and 22mb on the Aperto product in 7mhz channels. Also, there
are ways to get around the exclusion zones, if you find out who the
licenseholders are.



-

Jeff

On Apr 21, 2008, at 1:20 PM, CHUCK PROFITO wrote:

        
Patrick,
Excellent point on channel sizes!
So if WiMAX is released in unlicensed frequencies of 900, 2.4? ,
5.X, 3.6
(we are in a big exclusion zone.)
I imagine if you deployed in 2.4 it would smoke the home routers.
Would our capacity double for the same channel sizes?
Would it use the same channel sizes?
Would it help with range and capacity?
Will WiMax help tree penetration? Can Physics be bent?
In legacy deployments, would or could it improve our back hauls?


Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Providing High Speed Broadband
to Rural Central California
-----Original Message-----
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Patrick,
If not 70 miles and 30 mbps,
what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say:
2 miles los?
2 miles wooded?
5 m los?
5 m nlos?
10 m los?
10 m nlos
??
Is this a fair question?

Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Providing High Speed Broadband
to Rural Central California
-----Original Message-----
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The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours
great
headaches. The stupid "70 miles 30 mbps" was the most absurd bit of
hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly.
Meanwhile, Mo
Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec)
was
trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public
sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the
expectations. I
did it in numerous analyst and press interviews.

WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's
greatest
near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint.

Patrick

-----Original Message-----
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WiMax as hyped by the press is dead.  No?

----- Original Message -----
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I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only
partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly
            
on
          
the "WiMAX is dead" part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it).

The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong
opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%.

Patrick

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM
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WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead.  OK, not factually true
but
emotionally true.  The cell companies will use  WiMax frequencies and
technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited
to
compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless.  It will
            
never
          
live
up to the hype.

All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the
            
go.
          
Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value
driven
customer that love us so much.  Cell is and will not be value leader
            
for
          
fixed wireless. technologies.

700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more
cell
spectrum.  The bands are narrow.  Good for phone and limited amounts
            
of
          
data.  Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of
the
antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones.  Less gain
than
the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes.  Also
there
will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV
stations.  And some of them are not moving for some reason.  I don't
know if
they get a special dispensation or what.

All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home.  That
            
will
          
erode market share for WISPs in some areas.  This is a slow and
            
capital
          
intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that.  Plus many folks
prefer
to deal with us vs a large public traded company.  Superior customer
service
and support will always retain the customer.

The cable companies will continue to shoot themselves in the foot and
drop
the balls.  They are sooo freaked out by the erosion of customer base
from
DirecTV that they are not managing the IP side of the house as well
as
they
could.  They will continue to get in a tighter and tighter cash
situation
from satellite TV pressing from one side and the ILEC FTTH (and us)
            
from
          
the
other.

In the meantime, we add VOIP, computer repair, data backup, web
development,
OTA HDTV install and maint, etc as cross sell and up sell
            
opportunities.
          
All of us can offer triple play if we team up with DirecTV or OTA
            
HDTV.
          
OTA
HDTV is a wonderful opportunity for the next 18 months for the value
conscious customer.  Stock UHF TV antennas and converter boxes and
            
help
          
folks get their analog TVs converted over.  Less work than a WISP
install
and you will lock in the customer even more with superior customer
service.
You can rent them the gear for $5/month and make it a low cost
            
package.
          
In 5 years hopefully your investment will be a cash cow and you will
ride
this horse until it dies.  Perhaps other technologies will come along
for us
to deploy but I see our segment strong for the next 5 years.  In 10
years,
if we have not diversified, we will probably be hurting.

Oh, and satellite ISP will never do much.  Pesky physics.

----- Original Message -----
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What do you see as the future of our industry over the next 5 years?

AT&T is expanding U-Verse (will this be available outside of town?)
Verizon is expanding FiOS (will this be available outside of town?)
Cable will be using DOCSIS 3
3G will gain more steam
WiMAX will have larger and larger shares of the market
700 MHz will be in use possibly for data communications by the big
              
guys
            
My banker asked me, so I figured I'd see what other's opinions are.

My thought is that the big guys mentioned above will continue to
              
avoid
          
the
            
niche that we currently serve and we'll be able to provide better
              
services
            
with more spectrum (5.4 GHz, additional 2.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, possibly
TV
white spaces) and WiMAX.


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