oh, I was meaning a regular 10 meg service.
---------- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck McCown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future > We sell 10.2 Mbps burst service. And most of them actually get that > speed. > If they start streaming or downloading a large file, we throttle them > down. > Most are at 768. > When the stream or download stops, they go back to wide open throttle. > Customers love it. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "D. Ryan Spott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:41 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future > > >> Chuck, >> >> What speeds do you sell to your end customers at 128:1 oversub? >> >> (I am assuming that you never really go this high!) :) >> >> ryan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Chuck McCown >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:33 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future >> >> That is pretty much what we do on Motorola Canopy. >> 20 MHz channels. >> 128:1 (or less) over subscription >> 10 Mbps >> First AP and BH would be in the $5K range >> Second AP would be in the $2K range. (depending on antennas etc). >> >> We are waiting to see what the OFDM product will do. Smaller channels. >> More speed. >> (more money too). >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future >> >> >>> Anyone doing a 20 MHz channel? >>> >>> Would that be enough capacity to allow for typical oversubscription on >>> say >> >>> a >>> 10 meg client? >>> >>> What does it cost to get the first AP up ($5k, $15k, $50k)? >>> >>> What does it cost to get additional APs up ($2k, $10k, $30k)? >>> >>> >>> ---------- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jeff Booher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:46 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future >>> >>> >>>> Chuck, >>>> >>>> Airspan / Aperto are both shipping 5x Ghz wimax products. >>>> >>>> Throughput is about 26mb peak for the Airspan product on 10mhz >>>> channels, and 22mb on the Aperto product in 7mhz channels. Also, there >>>> are ways to get around the exclusion zones, if you find out who the >>>> licenseholders are. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> >>>> Jeff >>>> >>>> On Apr 21, 2008, at 1:20 PM, CHUCK PROFITO wrote: >>>> >>>>> Patrick, >>>>> Excellent point on channel sizes! >>>>> So if WiMAX is released in unlicensed frequencies of 900, 2.4? , >>>>> 5.X, 3.6 >>>>> (we are in a big exclusion zone.) >>>>> I imagine if you deployed in 2.4 it would smoke the home routers. >>>>> Would our capacity double for the same channel sizes? >>>>> Would it use the same channel sizes? >>>>> Would it help with range and capacity? >>>>> Will WiMax help tree penetration? Can Physics be bent? >>>>> In legacy deployments, would or could it improve our back hauls? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chuck Profito >>>>> 209-988-7388 >>>>> CV-ACCESS, INC >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> Providing High Speed Broadband >>>>> to Rural Central California >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> On >>>>> Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:01 AM >>>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future >>>>> >>>>> Patrick, >>>>> If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, >>>>> what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: >>>>> 2 miles los? >>>>> 2 miles wooded? >>>>> 5 m los? >>>>> 5 m nlos? >>>>> 10 m los? >>>>> 10 m nlos >>>>> ?? >>>>> Is this a fair question? >>>>> >>>>> Chuck Profito >>>>> 209-988-7388 >>>>> CV-ACCESS, INC >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> Providing High Speed Broadband >>>>> to Rural Central California >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> On >>>>> Behalf Of Patrick Leary >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future >>>>> >>>>> The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours >>>>> great >>>>> headaches. The stupid "70 miles 30 mbps" was the most absurd bit of >>>>> hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. >>>>> Meanwhile, Mo >>>>> Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) >>>>> was >>>>> trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public >>>>> sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the >>>>> expectations. I >>>>> did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. >>>>> >>>>> WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's >>>>> greatest >>>>> near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. >>>>> >>>>> Patrick >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> On >>>>> Behalf Of Chuck McCown >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future >>>>> >>>>> WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only >>>>>> partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly >>>>> on >>>>>> the "WiMAX is dead" part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). >>>>>> >>>>>> The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong >>>>>> opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. >>>>>> >>>>>> Patrick >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> On >>>>>> Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future >>>>>> >>>>>> WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true >>>>>> but >>>>>> emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and >>>>>> technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited >>>>>> to >>>>>> compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will >>>>> never >>>>>> live >>>>>> up to the hype. >>>>>> >>>>>> All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the >>>>> go. >>>>>> Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value >>>>>> driven >>>>>> customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader >>>>> for >>>>>> >>>>>> fixed wireless. technologies. >>>>>> >>>>>> 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more >>>>>> cell >>>>>> spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts >>>>> of >>>>>> data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of >>>>>> the >>>>>> antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain >>>>>> than >>>>>> the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also >>>>>> there >>>>>> will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV >>>>>> stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I don't >>>>>> know if >>>>>> they get a special dispensation or what. >>>>>> >>>>>> All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That >>>>> will >>>>>> erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and >>>>> capital >>>>>> intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that. Plus many folks >>>>>> prefer >>>>>> to deal with us vs a large public traded company. Superior customer >>>>>> service >>>>>> and support will always retain the customer. >>>>>> >>>>>> The cable companies will continue to shoot themselves in the foot and >>>>>> drop >>>>>> the balls. They are sooo freaked out by the erosion of customer base >>>>>> from >>>>>> DirecTV that they are not managing the IP side of the house as well >>>>>> as >>>>>> they >>>>>> could. They will continue to get in a tighter and tighter cash >>>>>> situation >>>>>> from satellite TV pressing from one side and the ILEC FTTH (and us) >>>>> from >>>>>> the >>>>>> other. >>>>>> >>>>>> In the meantime, we add VOIP, computer repair, data backup, web >>>>>> development, >>>>>> OTA HDTV install and maint, etc as cross sell and up sell >>>>> opportunities. >>>>>> >>>>>> All of us can offer triple play if we team up with DirecTV or OTA >>>>> HDTV. >>>>>> OTA >>>>>> HDTV is a wonderful opportunity for the next 18 months for the value >>>>>> conscious customer. Stock UHF TV antennas and converter boxes and >>>>> help >>>>>> folks get their analog TVs converted over. Less work than a WISP >>>>>> install >>>>>> and you will lock in the customer even more with superior customer >>>>>> service. >>>>>> You can rent them the gear for $5/month and make it a low cost >>>>> package. >>>>>> >>>>>> In 5 years hopefully your investment will be a cash cow and you will >>>>>> ride >>>>>> this horse until it dies. Perhaps other technologies will come along >>>>>> for us >>>>>> to deploy but I see our segment strong for the next 5 years. In 10 >>>>>> years, >>>>>> if we have not diversified, we will probably be hurting. >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh, and satellite ISP will never do much. Pesky physics. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: "WISPA List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 6:44 PM >>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Future >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> What do you see as the future of our industry over the next 5 years? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> AT&T is expanding U-Verse (will this be available outside of town?) >>>>>>> Verizon is expanding FiOS (will this be available outside of town?) >>>>>>> Cable will be using DOCSIS 3 >>>>>>> 3G will gain more steam >>>>>>> WiMAX will have larger and larger shares of the market >>>>>>> 700 MHz will be in use possibly for data communications by the big >>>>>> guys >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My banker asked me, so I figured I'd see what other's opinions are. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My thought is that the big guys mentioned above will continue to >>>>> avoid >>>>>> the >>>>>>> niche that we currently serve and we'll be able to provide better >>>>>> services >>>>>>> with more spectrum (5.4 GHz, additional 2.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, possibly >>>>>>> TV >>>>>>> white spaces) and WiMAX. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> -------- >>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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