I respectfully disagree. In my opinion, any frequency that is tied to a particular standard by regulation will do nothing but stifle innovation in that band.
-Hal -----Original Message----- From: John Scrivner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:14:48 -0500 I would like to see WiMax approved for the entire 50 MHz and do away with the contention mechanism requirement for the upper 25 MHz as required under the rules. I know this is a flip-flop of position from our earlier position but frankly I see this as a god opportunity for WISPs to move up to the next level of reliability and scale. Many people are building in WiMax with success in the 3.5 to 3.8 GHz bands across the world. If WiMax were the standard for the 3650 band across 50 MHz then carriers could easily work together to band plan and move away from interference. With GPS sync the bands can be reused multiple times anyway. Sticking with one standard in this band just makes sense for us. It can be a "WISP band" if we do this. Spanking more out of 802.11 is old news and needs to be put to bed. It is time to use a real platform for scalable and reliable outdoor wireless broadband. WiMax is the path to this in 3.65 GHz. 802.22 will be the standard in the TV whitespaces (hopefully). It is time for us to standardize and use something better than repurposed WiFi. Scriv On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 10:15 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The energy level for backoff CAN be adjusted. > > The FCC says that NEITHER is acceptable, and even though the atheros > mechanism is just an "energy detection", it will not be allowed. This is > what I gathered from an assortment of emails on the topic, some of which > were from the FCC to someone wanting certification. > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > <insert witty tagline here> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harold Bledsoe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 4:52 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP > > >> The RF energy detection mechanism of 802.11a is sort of based on power >> level. If the preamble is detected and decoded, then the mechanism is >> activated at -82dBm. Otherwise it requires a relatively high energy >> level (-62dBm). >> >> Although I agree that even -62dBm seems "fair". It would be very useful >> to know what part of the CCA mechanism of 802.11a does not work for the >> FCC's contention requirement. If it is not the detection mechanism, >> then perhaps it is the backoff mechanism? >> >> -Hal >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> >> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP >> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 01:23:31 -0700 >> >> That's nice, but in real life the FCC has simply gotten on a tear and >> decided that NOTHING qualifies for what they want. >> >> I have no idea what the purpose of this rather odd bit of nonsense is >> about, >> but when it declares that 802.11 "does not detect dissimilar systems", >> then >> nothing can EVER be made to work. After all, the whole "listen before >> talk" >> is AN RF ENERGY DETECTOR. If that doesn't work, nothing can. Or, only >> that device or mechanism the person passing judgement wants to promote >> will >> "work". >> >> We would spectulate who has bought this favor from the FCC, but in >> reality, >> it doesn't matter. I predict NO equipment will be certified for the rest >> of >> the spectrum and it will be auctioned for big bucks to some large entity. >> We'll still be in the same boat 2 years from now, with statements about >> "we're watching the development of <insert technology du jour here> with >> interest". >> >> >> >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> <insert witty tagline here> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 4:28 PM >> Subject: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP >> >> >>> Update from the FCC. This makes is very clear to me what the FCC is >>> looking >>> for, if there are any questions or comments feel free. >>> >>> Sincerely, Tony Morella >>> Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider >>> Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 >>> http://www.demarctech.com >>> >>> >>> "Tony: >>> Thank you for your inquiry. >>> >>> In the email you mentioned that several companies have obtained equipment >>> authorization for operation in the lower 25 MHz of the 3650-3700 MHz >>> band. >>> This is correct. In the Commission's evaluation these devices met the >>> requirements for restricted contention based protocol operation. Thus >>> all >>> of these devices support contention based protocol, but they only support >>> that for similar types of systems. They do not provide for recognizing >>> and >>> coexistence with other dissimilar systems. >>> >>> In order to obtain the authorization for the full 50 MHz operation the >>> system has to demonstrate coexistence with different protocols. At the >>> present time the Commission reviews each application on its merit to >>> determine if the system meets the requirements for such unrestricted >>> operation. The Commission is monitoring the progress of IEEE 802.16h and >>> 802.11y working groups in terms of their plans to extend their respective >>> protocols to support coexistence. We are encouraged by this development >>> and >>> think that they are in the right direction. However, it is not a >>> precondition for authorization. In the absence of any industry standard, >>> we >>> treat each application on a case-by-case basis. One of the tests we do >>> apply is the co-existence analysis recommendation currently under review >>> by >>> the 802.19 committee. We would expect to see some simulation to show how >>> the proposed system would behave in the presence of other systems, the >>> back-off strategies employed and approaches to fair sharing mechanisms. >>> >>> Please let us know if you have further questions. >>> Thank you, >>> Rashmi Doshi, PhD >>> Chief, FCC Laboratory Division" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> WISPA Wants You! 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