I am not trying to tell people that they should abandon what they have. I am simply trying to make the case for WiMax in 3.65 GHz space. I do not think that is in conflict with what you have deployed. Is Motorola planning to deploy a system for 3.65 GHz? I have not heard anything about that. Scriv
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Canopy is outdoor. > I don't want interop as I want to control users to my system. > The coverage, range, throughput has been totally smoke to date. I am still > waiting for 70 Mbps at 70 miles PTMP. > We don't roam, allow roaming or want to allow roaming. > We don't operate in areas where ITU is a concern. > Our systems are very automated.... > > I just don't see how any purported WiMax system is better in any way for my > Canopy based WISP. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 10:17 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP > > >> Here is a list of some of what makes WiMax better than most other WISP >> solutions out there: >> >> -Engineered for outdoor broadband wireless delivery >> -Strict Interoperability Requirement between all vendors >> -Standardized platform which has been accepted globally >> -Support for multiple antenna ie. MIMO, AAS, Diversity, etc. which >> delivers increased operational coverage area above antything else in >> the WISP industry. >> -Roaming and national footprint options across unlicensed and licensed >> networks >> -ITU Recognized standard >> -Mobility options >> -System automation options >> >> This is a partial list. What is most important to remember is that the >> rest of the world has already built on this standard. I am not >> suggesting anything radical in saying we need to get up to speed with >> the rest of the world on what has been accepted as the standard for >> broadband delivery over wireless in 3.4 thru 3.8 GHz bandspace. >> Scriv >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> What is your opinion about the greatness of WiMax based upon? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 7:19 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP >>> >>> >>>>I believe that WiMax is great... greater than equipment we currently >>>>use. >>>> I just don't use it at this time because of the cost. I also don't buy >>>> into >>>> a lot of the hype people (press, manufacturers, vendors, others) are >>>> pushing. I had a project that required 10 meg of synchronous, committed >>>> bandwidth per customer. I was told (by more than one group) because of >>>> the >>>> WiMax magic, I could put 2 - 3 customers on equipment capable of 23 >>>> megs. >>>> Sorry, you simply cannot put 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound box, no >>>> matter >>>> the magic. Other than Mikrotik, only the AN-80i would have been worth >>>> it. >>>> >>>> I do appreciate the FCC's requirement of equipment getting along with >>>> dissimilar equipment. Who knows when we'll have another Canopy or >>>> Tsunami >>>> introduced that just doesn't play well with others. >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 11:38 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP >>>> >>>> >>>>>I do not think we should build our networks for the "sole purpose of >>>>> suckering, err, selling to someone else". I do believe that I want >>>>> anything I build to have value in the event I do sell. That is not >>>>> "suckering" anyone. Why not build something that holds value or >>>>> appreciates in value? I know a future plan for WISPs to build WiMax >>>>> networks in 3.65 would result in better networks, better valuations >>>>> for WISPs and better economies of scale. >>>>> >>>>> Leaning on 802.11 further is just not the plan we should be using for >>>>> new bands and new opportunities like we have in 3650. We have a chance >>>>> to build something greater than we have now. WiMax is what the rest of >>>>> the world is already using in the 3.4 thru 3.8 GHz band. Do any of you >>>>> think it is smarter for us to abandon the global scale afforded to us >>>>> if we adopt WiMax in 3.65? I am surprised more of you are not speaking >>>>> up and saying you agree with this philosophy. Dividing the camp on >>>>> this will not help us as an industry. >>>>> >>>>> I would like to see this group, for once, accept that we need to do >>>>> something together, as a group, for the common good. I think this is >>>>> that opportunity. I see little reason for us to take any other course >>>>> of action in 3.65 GHz. WISPs need to do something as a group to help >>>>> our industry. WiMax in 3.65 is that logical step for us to work >>>>> together and reach some scale and some value. >>>>> >>>>> This is not about "suckering" anyone or being "stuck in a rut". This >>>>> is a chance for us to move to the next level. It is almost >>>>> embarrassing to me that we are actually behind the rest of the world >>>>> here in the US when it comes to this band. WiMax is a serious platform >>>>> with many advantages over anything else we have built and used. The >>>>> light licensed opportunities in 3.65 are an incredible experiment that >>>>> we need to show success in. If we choose WiMax and adopt this as the >>>>> platform for 3.65 I believe we will advance our entire industry to a >>>>> higher level of funding opportunities, operational reliability, more >>>>> service offerings, etc. >>>>> Scriv >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 4:09 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> I know that a certain number of us ARE going to build a network for >>>>>> the >>>>>> sole >>>>>> purpose of suckering...errr, selling it to someone else. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, I have severe ethical disagreements with this notion. It >>>>>> reminds >>>>>> me >>>>>> of "flipping houses" or "speculative oil investing", perhaps? >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, to build a business SOLELY for the purpose of selling for a huge >>>>>> chunk >>>>>> of money to someone larger, of planned consolidation seems >>>>>> self-defeating. >>>>>> yes, you might profit, but wha have you really done productively? >>>>>> >>>>>> Still, there are many of us who are NOT intending to "build to sell". >>>>>> We're not in the business of flipping customers to someone else. In >>>>>> that >>>>>> case, overspending for the return on your dollar makes little sense. >>>>>> I'm >>>>>> not sure if ANY hardware platform makes sense in this industry. If >>>>>> we >>>>>> run >>>>>> the numbers, does it actually havea positive return? I suspect not. >>>>>> >>>>>> Still, for those of us who aer NOT in the business of polishing up a >>>>>> turd >>>>>> to >>>>>> sell to someone else ( You have no idea how long I've waited to use >>>>>> that >>>>>> term, since I read it a few years ago!), the investment and prices >>>>>> don't >>>>>> make any real sense... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>>> <insert witty tagline here> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "David Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 6:10 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> A number of WISPS are moving to this platform as they find that >>>>>>> the higher end equipment is worth more on a buyout. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lets put it this way. If you have a network to sell, how much more >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> think you will get if you have Cisco instead of Mikrotik? Nothing >>>>>>> against >>>>>>> them, but the quality of your infrastructure is heavily weighed >>>>>>> during >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> buyout. If you don't agree, check the many spam's on this and other >>>>>>> lists >>>>>>> from the guys buying networks. Some won't even look at you if you >>>>>>> don't >>>>>>> have Canopy or better equipment. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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