Do you have 5,000 wireless subs Travis? :-)
And I'm not saying you don't know what your doing. or even a WISP that has 300 customers doesn't know what they are doing (hey I just got on Charles about saying a WISP that small was a hobby. although I understand the point he is trying to make). There are reasons that the big WISP's are generally big, and I think half of that has to do with factors outside of their control (population density, geography, DSL/Cable penetration, etc.). Mesa was very lucky to have many of those things working in our favor, but I think we knew what we were doing to (well at least about half of the time!). Daniel White 3-dB Networks _____ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 8:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Hey buddy.... I'm out here in NoWhere, Idaho and we have over 5,000 wireless subs and I am proud to say NO CANOPY radios. :) And, just to give you an idea that we do know what we are doing, we have three OC3's worth of bandwidth (465Mbps) coming into our NOC. We offer wireless, DSL, fiber, T1 and dial-up. Travis Microserv 3-dB Networks wrote: I guess we need to define large... :-) You also need to look at the region I know best... for WISP's over say 1000 customers in the State of Colorado... only one WISP operational in say 2006 on had over 1000 customers and was using anything but Canopy... and now they are swapping out their Trango gear anyways. I think large for a WISP has to be at the 5000 sub or higher mark. I for one can only think of three or four companies at that mark... and they all use Canopy... Since I don't get out to the East coast... I know I can be very very wrong :-) I should have put that disclaimer on that statement (so I apologize!) Daniel White 3-dB Networks -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds the really big WISP's all deploy Canopy I think for a reason Canopy makes a real nice platform now, and some large companies may use Canopy.. But that comment is in no way true. I can name just as many large companies that deploy, Trango, Alvarion, StarOS, etc. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message ----- From: "3-dB Networks" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Steve, I think Mesa Networks former CEO (if your not familiar with our company we are a spin off of Mesa Networks) Todd Bergstrom attributes part of our success by leasing equipment early on as a WISP. He wrote an article here about leasing that might change your mind. http://tinyurl.com/5uowsx Basically look at it this way. If you lease your equipment, it allows you to build that next tower site, get customers installed, increase your revenue. You end up paying more in the long run because of the interest, but you may also save money by being able to buy in bulk from your vendor instead of individual or 5 packs. Todd probably explains it better in the article. Other than this, I've been racking my brains on things that another WISP can replicate to expand... and the only thing I can think of is equipment related... I know we couldn't have built our network using an 802.11a/b/g solution (although our networks first couple hundred customers were on KarlNet) because you hit an oversubscription on the AP really fast. We had many many AP's with 50+ customers... we would not have been successful without timing and the ability to place so many customers on an AP. Our WISP almost failed back in 2002 (before I joined Mesa) because we hit the limitations of the KarlNet system. My experiences with a Tranzeo network in 2006/2007 lead me to believe things really haven't changed that much (its all still 802.11 and its hard to make significant improvements to it). So while this is probably along the lines of rip out your network and start over... the really big WISP's all deploy Canopy I think for a reason. My 2 cents, take them for what they are worth (which 2 cents isn't worth much anymore) Daniel White 3-dB Networks -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds I guess maybe I am old school but leasing the CPE just makes it so that the monthly fee has to pay the CPE cost instead of the install. You still have to pay for it. It may make cash flow easier but the ROI takes longer due to interest rates and labor dealing with lease Co. Can you help me with that one. Steve From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds Honestly, the fastest way to grow is to lease your CPE. Then the install fee covers your cost on every install, and you aren't "upside down" on every new customer. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: You are doing it. Just keep bootstrapping. Once you get 1000 subscribers things will be a bit better. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barnes" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] Client Speeds I have read many post on this list about how much bandwidth different WISP offer. I want to discuss that as well as the recommended equipment that is so often discussed on this list. I am a startup. Little to no startup capital. I had to pinch each penny to get as much as possible out of it. My goal was to service the clients no one wanted in a county that had no Fiber or DSL other that what Verizon holds hostage. So now after 2 years I have 8 towers with 320 clients. The service I offer is a $39.99 basic level 640k x 256k and a $59.99 Pro Level 1M x 512k. You guys are talking about 10Mb. If I turn off the speed control on AP's and let people play I don't get over 3.5M on any of them. ( 2.4 MT or StarOS, and Tranzeo CPE's) I use a StarOS Full Duplex Link to Backhaul to a Fiber connection that I Share cost of with another WISP my size. The investment I would have to make to achieve 10MB to each client is financially Impossible. Surely some of you big guys out there have been in my shoes. What do you recommend a small WISP in my situation to do in the future. Please don't start with the statement, "How you should have started you service". I was providing a solution. So this is what I have and I know of at least 6 other small WISP's on this list who are in the same boat. So BIG GUYS think back. How do I grow into new BROADBAND definition without rebuilding my network from the ground up. What is everyone charging and what does the client get for that price. Financing is not readily available and the Boss hopes to one day get some ROI. No Grants available and no big group wanting to invest or challenge Verizon. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- WISPA Wants You! 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