Yes, we have over 5,000 wireless subs.... and no Canopy radios on our entire network. :)
Travis Microserv 3-dB Networks wrote: > Do you have 5,000 wireless subs Travis? :-) > > > > And I'm not saying you don't know what your doing. or even a WISP that has > 300 customers doesn't know what they are doing (hey I just got on Charles > about saying a WISP that small was a hobby. although I understand the point > he is trying to make). There are reasons that the big WISP's are generally > big, and I think half of that has to do with factors outside of their > control (population density, geography, DSL/Cable penetration, etc.). Mesa > was very lucky to have many of those things working in our favor, but I > think we knew what we were doing to (well at least about half of the time!). > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > > _____ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Travis Johnson > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 8:20 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds > > > > Hey buddy.... I'm out here in NoWhere, Idaho and we have over 5,000 wireless > subs and I am proud to say NO CANOPY radios. :) > > And, just to give you an idea that we do know what we are doing, we have > three OC3's worth of bandwidth (465Mbps) coming into our NOC. We offer > wireless, DSL, fiber, T1 and dial-up. > > Travis > Microserv > > 3-dB Networks wrote: > > I guess we need to define large... :-) > > You also need to look at the region I know best... for WISP's over say 1000 > customers in the State of Colorado... only one WISP operational in say 2006 > on had over 1000 customers and was using anything but Canopy... and now they > are swapping out their Trango gear anyways. > > I think large for a WISP has to be at the 5000 sub or higher mark. I for > one can only think of three or four companies at that mark... and they all > use Canopy... > > Since I don't get out to the East coast... I know I can be very very wrong > :-) I should have put that disclaimer on that statement (so I apologize!) > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:43 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds > > > > the really big WISP's all deploy Canopy I think for a reason > > > Canopy makes a real nice platform now, and some large companies may use > Canopy.. But that comment is in no way true. > > I can name just as many large companies that deploy, Trango, Alvarion, > StarOS, etc. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "3-dB Networks" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 8:47 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds > > > > > Steve, > > I think Mesa Networks former CEO (if your not familiar with our company > > > we > > > are a spin off of Mesa Networks) Todd Bergstrom attributes part of our > success by leasing equipment early on as a WISP. He wrote an article > > > here > > > about leasing that might change your mind. http://tinyurl.com/5uowsx > > Basically look at it this way. If you lease your equipment, it allows > > > you > > > to build that next tower site, get customers installed, increase your > revenue. You end up paying more in the long run because of the > > > interest, > > > but you may also save money by being able to buy in bulk from your > > > vendor > > > instead of individual or 5 packs. Todd probably explains it better in > > > the > > > article. > > Other than this, I've been racking my brains on things that another WISP > can > replicate to expand... and the only thing I can think of is equipment > related... I know we couldn't have built our network using an > > > 802.11a/b/g > > > solution (although our networks first couple hundred customers were on > KarlNet) because you hit an oversubscription on the AP really fast. We > had > many many AP's with 50+ customers... we would not have been successful > without timing and the ability to place so many customers on an AP. Our > WISP almost failed back in 2002 (before I joined Mesa) because we hit > > > the > > > limitations of the KarlNet system. My experiences with a Tranzeo > > > network > > > in > 2006/2007 lead me to believe things really haven't changed that much > > > (its > > > all still 802.11 and its hard to make significant improvements to it). > > > So > > > while this is probably along the lines of rip out your network and start > over... the really big WISP's all deploy Canopy I think for a reason. > > My 2 cents, take them for what they are worth (which 2 cents isn't worth > much anymore) > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Steve Barnes > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:53 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds > > I guess maybe I am old school but leasing the CPE just makes it so that > the monthly fee has to pay the CPE cost instead of the install. You > still have to pay for it. It may make cash flow easier but the ROI > takes longer due to interest rates and labor dealing with lease Co. > Can you help me with that one. > > > > Steve > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Travis Johnson > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:45 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Speeds > > > > Honestly, the fastest way to grow is to lease your CPE. Then the > > > install > > > fee covers your cost on every install, and you aren't "upside down" on > every new customer. > > Travis > Microserv > > Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: > > You are doing it. Just keep bootstrapping. Once you get 1000 > subscribers > things will be a bit better. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Barnes" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <wireless@wispa.org> > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:32 PM > Subject: [WISPA] Client Speeds > > > > > I have read many post on this list about how much bandwidth > different > WISP offer. I want to discuss that as well as the recommended > equipment > that is so often discussed on this list. > > > > I am a startup. Little to no startup capital. I had to pinch > each > penny to get as much as possible out of it. My goal was to > service the > clients no one wanted in a county that had no Fiber or DSL other > that > what Verizon holds hostage. So now after 2 years I have 8 > towers with > 320 clients. > > > > The service I offer is a $39.99 basic level 640k x 256k and a > $59.99 Pro > Level 1M x 512k. You guys are talking about 10Mb. If I turn > off the > speed control on AP's and let people play I don't get over 3.5M > on any > of them. ( 2.4 MT or StarOS, and Tranzeo CPE's) I use a StarOS > Full > Duplex Link to Backhaul to a Fiber connection that I Share cost > of with > another WISP my size. The investment I would have to make to > achieve > 10MB to each client is financially Impossible. > > > > Surely some of you big guys out there have been in my shoes. > What do > you recommend a small WISP in my situation to do in the future. > > > > Please don't start with the statement, "How you should have > started you > service". I was providing a solution. So this is what I have > and I > know of at least 6 other small WISP's on this list who are in > the same > boat. > > > > So BIG GUYS think back. How do I grow into new BROADBAND > definition > without rebuilding my network from the ground up. What is > everyone > charging and what does the client get for that price. Financing > is not > readily available and the Boss hopes to one day get some ROI. > No > Grants available and no big group wanting to invest or challenge > Verizon. > > > > Steve Barnes > > RC-WiFi.com > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > - > > > -------- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > - > > > -------- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > - > > > -------- > WISPA Wants You! 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