My rule has always been 1 man on the ground or at least nearby with a two way radio. Anything big (you have to climb on the structure, no ladder/elevator) 1 person watching. My thought process is in the event something does happen, someone is there to help and the person climbing isn't stuck in a bad situation.
No exceptions. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Eric Albert <eric.alb...@alvarion.com>wrote: > When I was on your side of the business (working for an integrator), I > took the two-day ComTrain course. I usually worked the ground, prepared > loads and worked the winch or tag lines. I was not interested (nor my > wife) in working at height. > > But the course taught me valuable lessons; first, I learned what it took > to be safe. It enabled me to watch over the guys about to go up the > structure, check their gear and make sure they had the gear that was > needed to be safe. > > But second and most importantly I learned how to do a rescue. Thankfully > I never needed this skill. Most fire departments as I learned from > ComTrain do not have a clue what it takes to get a man down off of the > steel. Time is precious in those situations. Glad I knew how, glad I > never had to. > > So I am curious. For those of you that only need to send one climber to > complete a task, how many of you send two climbers so that there is > always someone certified in rescue on the ground? And if so, are the > equally equipped? > > This is a great topic spurned from a tragic and preventable accident. > > > > > One more note. I hired a crew to do an emergency repair on a Crown tower > we co-located on, in February many years ago. It was REALLY cold. So > they sent a two man crew to replace two Alvarion ODUs. They both climbed > and did not leave a guy on the ground. The first guy was properly > clothed and took his time getting to 325'. The second guy did not like > the cold and decided to climb the second leg and race up to the radios. > I doubt he was 100% or he would not have been able to move that fast. In > the end he exerted himself so much that he sweat on the way up and as > soon as he reached 325', he could not feel his hands or feet. I pulled > him off the tower and told his foreman to never send him on one of my > jobs ever again. At least he left the site under his own power that day. > > > Eric Albert > Application Engineer > Alvarion Inc. > | > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Chuck Hogg > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:32 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident > > Climbing a couple legs a day? WOW! I have a lot more repeaters than > that and we usually only revisit to upgrade or repair. We're mostly > MikroTik and went and upgraded one of our longest uptime AP's last week. > 130+ plus of uptime. What gear are you using that needs to be revisited > so often? > > > > Chuck > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:28 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident > > > > Well, lately we have backed off. But for the last 8 months, it seemed > like a couple legs a day (30 sites). So much for the cheap route I > went........ > > Brian > > Chuck Hogg wrote: > > I don't think that you will find an attachment point on a grain leg > safety rated for 5,000lbs. At least I don't know of any on the grain > legs we are on. Seems like you are climbing it too much if you need a > cable. > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:20 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident > > I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of > the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on. There is already one on > the leg that has no cage. Then we could clip on a go, with either a > belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that > is a little heavy). Anyone run these cable before? What is needed? > > Brian > > Chuck Hogg wrote: > > > I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint. This was > reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando. The only > issue > > > is > > > if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you > are > supposed to wear a harness. > > > > I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I > get to > the top. > > > > Chuck > > > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > > > On > > > Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident > > > > What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages > around > > > them. > > > Usually it's like a 100ft ladder. > > Brian > > Chuck McCown wrote: > > I used to free climb towers. Some of them had so much crap on > them it > was > the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the > > > thought). > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "3-dB Networks" <wi...@3-db.net> <mailto:wi...@3-db.net> > <mailto:wi...@3-db.net> <mailto:wi...@3-db.net> > To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident > > > > > And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all > this safety > gear is still relatively new isn't it > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Chuck McCown > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident > > Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other > than > our hooks > and hands. Once you got up, then you would throw the one > single > belt > around > > the pole. Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 > feet. > Enough > to > hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you. I "burned" one > pole one > time. Torn shirt, splinters in my arms. Funny how quick you > can hug a > pole > > when you hook hits a knot in the pole. (The reason it > happened > was I was > talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend). In any > event, it was > the preferred way of climbing. Much quicker and easier, and > actually, if > the pole was nice and soft, was very safe. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Rogato" <wi...@oregonfast.net> > <mailto:wi...@oregonfast.net> > <mailto:wi...@oregonfast.net> <mailto:wi...@oregonfast.net> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident > > > > > When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off > with? > Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to > move it that you > are then not tied off at all? > > > 3-dB Networks wrote: > > > Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm > climbing... but when I am in > a > position I am going to be working at I tie off > in two different places > just > in case... because you never know what might > happen. > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > http://www.3dbnetworks.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM > To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident > > When climbing how many think "let's tie off in > two places because this > first piece of angle iron is going to fall > off"? > > On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net > <dmburg...@linktechs.net> <mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net> > <mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net> <mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net> > wrote: > > > Not to say thats not right. The whole > point of the Darwin awards was > that the people who died have died in > the most stupidest way, that they > did the entire human population a favor > by eliminating themselves from > the gene pool. There is a movie even > on > it. Like the guy who > strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, > the > guy who was so cheap, he got > his hand stuck in the soda machine and > while trying to free it, it feel > over on him. ETC. 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