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I was taught, many years ago, that you NEVER do aerial work alone.
Never. I always have someone on the ground. If to do nothing besides call 911. Josh Luthman wrote: My rule has always been 1 man on the ground or at least nearby with a two way radio. Anything big (you have to climb on the structure, no ladder/elevator) 1 person watching. My thought process is in the event something does happen, someone is there to help and the person climbing isn't stuck in a bad situation.No exceptions. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Eric Albert <eric.alb...@alvarion.com>wrote:When I was on your side of the business (working for an integrator), I took the two-day ComTrain course. I usually worked the ground, prepared loads and worked the winch or tag lines. I was not interested (nor my wife) in working at height. But the course taught me valuable lessons; first, I learned what it took to be safe. It enabled me to watch over the guys about to go up the structure, check their gear and make sure they had the gear that was needed to be safe. But second and most importantly I learned how to do a rescue. Thankfully I never needed this skill. Most fire departments as I learned from ComTrain do not have a clue what it takes to get a man down off of the steel. Time is precious in those situations. Glad I knew how, glad I never had to. So I am curious. For those of you that only need to send one climber to complete a task, how many of you send two climbers so that there is always someone certified in rescue on the ground? And if so, are the equally equipped? This is a great topic spurned from a tragic and preventable accident. One more note. I hired a crew to do an emergency repair on a Crown tower we co-located on, in February many years ago. It was REALLY cold. So they sent a two man crew to replace two Alvarion ODUs. They both climbed and did not leave a guy on the ground. The first guy was properly clothed and took his time getting to 325'. The second guy did not like the cold and decided to climb the second leg and race up to the radios. I doubt he was 100% or he would not have been able to move that fast. In the end he exerted himself so much that he sweat on the way up and as soon as he reached 325', he could not feel his hands or feet. I pulled him off the tower and told his foreman to never send him on one of my jobs ever again. At least he left the site under his own power that day. Eric Albert Application Engineer Alvarion Inc. | -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident Climbing a couple legs a day? WOW! I have a lot more repeaters than that and we usually only revisit to upgrade or repair. We're mostly MikroTik and went and upgraded one of our longest uptime AP's last week. 130+ plus of uptime. What gear are you using that needs to be revisited so often? Chuck From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident Well, lately we have backed off. But for the last 8 months, it seemed like a couple legs a day (30 sites). So much for the cheap route I went........ Brian Chuck Hogg wrote: I don't think that you will find an attachment point on a grain leg safety rated for 5,000lbs. At least I don't know of any on the grain legs we are on. Seems like you are climbing it too much if you need a cable. -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on. There is already one on the leg that has no cage. Then we could clip on a go, with either a belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that is a little heavy). Anyone run these cable before? What is needed? Brian Chuck Hogg wrote: I believe a cage is an acceptable OSHA fall restraint. This was reviewed during my recent ComTrain class in Orlando. The only issue is if you get on the platform, you have no fall arrest and thus you are supposed to wear a harness. I myself don't do 100% tie off going up a cage, but I do when I get to the top. Chuck From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident What do you guys do on elevator/grain legs that have cages around them. Usually it's like a 100ft ladder. Brian Chuck McCown wrote: I used to free climb towers. Some of them had so much crap on them it was the only way to do it (unless you had two belts... perish the thought). ----- Original Message ----- From: "3-dB Networks" <wi...@3-db.net> <mailto:wi...@3-db.net> <mailto:wi...@3-db.net> <mailto:wi...@3-db.net> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident And 15 years ago most people climbed towers freestyle... all this safety gear is still relatively new isn't it Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident Back in the day, we climbed wooden poles with nothing other than our hooks and hands. Once you got up, then you would throw the one single belt around the pole. Most of the time the drop was between 20 and 30 feet. Enough to hurt you pretty bad but probably not kill you. I "burned" one pole one time. Torn shirt, splinters in my arms. Funny how quick you can hug a pole when you hook hits a knot in the pole. (The reason it happened was I was talking to and showing off for a former girlfriend). In any event, it was the preferred way of climbing. Much quicker and easier, and actually, if the pole was nice and soft, was very safe. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Rogato" <wi...@oregonfast.net> <mailto:wi...@oregonfast.net> <mailto:wi...@oregonfast.net> <mailto:wi...@oregonfast.net> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident When you climb, do you only use one lanyard to tie off with? Does this mean every time you unclip your lanyard to move it that you are then not tied off at all? 3-dB Networks wrote: Well I don't tie off in two places when I'm climbing... but when I am in a position I am going to be working at I tie off in two different places just in case... because you never know what might happen. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:52 AM To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident When climbing how many think "let's tie off in two places because this first piece of angle iron is going to fall off"? On 1/6/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net <dmburg...@linktechs.net> <mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net> <mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net> <mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net> wrote: Not to say thats not right. The whole point of the Darwin awards was that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from the gene pool. There is a movie even on it. Like the guy who strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel over on him. ETC. Its on netflix instant streaming. ------------------------------ * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> <http://www.wispa.org/> <http://www.wispa.org/> <http://www.wispa.org/> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/> <http://www.linktechs.net/> <http://www.linktechs.net/> <http://www.linktechs.net/> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp> /* George Rogato wrote: Very sad indeed. I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that. It was not funny to me at all. But some have a weird sense of humor. 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