Hi, Mikrotik has this same ability, but using their Winbox GUI. I can right-click on any connected Mikrotik device in the list and connect directly (even if it doesn't have an IP address on it at all). And let's not forget the all powerful Torch utility that is built in to every Mikrotik device. If you have never seen or used it, it is probably the single most important "feature" available on Mikrotik. Travis Microserv Mark Nash wrote: I agree... Just put one up and try it. Don't be afraid of the learning curve. The performance and flexibility is outstanding.Also, there's alot to be said about NOT having a web interface. I can't tell you how many times I've done this: 1. Realized I screwed up the gateway address or IP address on the CPE. 2. ssh into the AP, put and IP address on the wireless interface that client is associated with, ssh TO the client FROM the AP (not from my workstation). 3. Been on my merry way and not have had a truck roll. We use methods like these to prevent truck rolls over & over again. I wish that the other, mainstream product manufacturers would get a clue about this ability. You can essentially move about your network using ssh, hopping from one device to another until you can reach the device you want. You can ssh from your computer or PDA to your border router, then ssh from there to wherever on your network you want to go. Also with this method, it is possible to take a brand new AP to a tower site, set to defaults (with default IP address) and have the guys back at the office reach it and configure it. VERY POWERFUL!!!!!!!!!! I say let go of the web interface. I did and I'm glad I did. My name is Mark and I'm an ssh junkie... ;) Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998-5555 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "CHUCK PROFITO" <cprof...@cv-access.com> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/ValemountIs is one heck of a product, it just has a learning curve, and is never on the 'bleeding edege', and since everybody knows Lonnie's' service limitations, most users help new users a lot. And I might add, you are not locked into only Star OS for SU's. Short range we have used nanos and now bullets and other boards, business customers still get Star to Star. You are not locked into a Mfg. And you can tailor the tower sites to fill the needs of the environment, and the Star OS tools are amazing. If you have a new tower or small repeater site to put up, it may be a great time for you to learn about it. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount Boy I tell ya what. StarOS was looking like a hell-uv-a great product back in the days of the Mikrotik/Tranzeo reconnect issues.... Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount I'll chime in and say: 1. Great product. Great performance 2. Forums support is hit and miss. I've read alot of the forum articles and there seems to be alot of arrogance and opinionated views there. 3. I have bad units that Freespace Systems (their US distributor) has had for months. When I inquired about them a few weeks ago, I got the answer "Our JTAG programming system is not working". So, overall... Good product, very usable, customer service suffers therefore we suffer. If you can handle dealing with things on your own or in the forums, it's very powerful. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop, Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 http://www.unwiredwest.com 541-998-5555 541-998-5599 fax ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Rogato" <wi...@oregonfast.net> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/ValemountJerry There is a lot of products out there now. Quite a few are members of wispa and I don't want to give a more favorable endorsement of one of the other. I see a lot of wisps happy with the products they use and thats a great thing. I think there is no better time as up till now for choices in products that actually work reliably right out of the box. But, I don't believe there is a best and the rest worse, I think it's the product that fits your business. And a different product for each specific need. Having said all that, I use Star and have no issues with it. The upgrade software versions that some one else mentioned, is what you expect for a product that never stops trying to make itself better. I have systems of star from 6 years back working flawless and systems all the way up to the last version working that are ultra stable. The latest version in beta 1.4.x is too new for me to mess with. But when it gets to maturity, I will probably upgrade to it. The newest versions have the most advanced features. Those features when added have to have the bugs worked out to get to stable. Only way that happens is releasing a broken product and letting the testers find the problems, so they can fix them. Support is all on the forums, and really, if you are used to programing a radio and a router you should have no problems programing and configuring a star ap. You just have to be familiar with routing. If a person is not familiar with configuring a router then they most likely will run into problems and need forum help. The Star-os guys are there for feedback on real issues and bugs and deficiencies in their product. Helping people figure out how to make to radios talk to each other or config ospf bgp or something like that is above and beyond the manufacturer's responsibility. They do offer advice and help and I've seen countless times where they have personally logged into their wisps systems to help them out. Some of the very best support comes from the other users on the forums. I don't sell anything and I don't make anything from giving this positive feedback. I just hate to see the wrong opinion be touted about a good product that many of us use. 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