location location location and location I have towers that hit very close to your 1000 sqare miles (18 miles with 2 to 3 megs delivered via ptp radio). There are only 10 or so subs on that tower.
We have other towers that cover over 700 square miles and they service less than 10 people. It's not that we do a bad sales job, there just aren't any people that live there. On one of the NTIA sessions the other day someone FINALLY pointed out that even Canada has a higher % of urban vs. rural residents than the USA. Location Location Location marlon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Rock" <jo...@wirelessconnections.net> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hey reader you are muddying the waters a bit here. I thought the days were over when people thought they could put up one base station and serve a 1000 square miles or worse put up one base station and server a 1000 customers. I have a customer in Canada that serves 12 Mb out to 45 kilometers via WiMAX, LOS of course. John Rock Director of Operations - Senior Engineer Wireless Connections 166 Milan Ave., Norwalk, Oh. 44857 ACCessing the Future Today!! ofc. 419.660.6100 cell 419-706-7356 fax 419-668-4077 http://www.wirelessconnections.net This transmission and any files attached to it, may contain confidential and/or privileged information and intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, retransmission, dissemination, disclosure, copying or any use of the information or files contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete this electronic mail. -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? I can get 12 to 18 mbit off my 5 ghz AP's, and with customers limited to 2Mbit, I'm still bumping into limits in the 30 - 45 range per AP, and even then, I consider it oversubscribed. Now, 18mbit throughput in 7 mhz is great... But how good does the signal have to be, and when the signals degrade due to distance or... How much effect does this have? What's the distance you can do 18? 2 miles? 4 miles? I need 25 miles... I can't even GO 25 miles decently with 3.65, due to eirp limits. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ <insert witty tagline here> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hammett" <wispawirel...@ics-il.net> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? > Good efficiencies, not enough throughput per channel, however. > > In one thread in one list we have people complaining about not having > enough > bandwidth to serve their customers now much less next year or the next and > in the other, we have people excited about an AP that only does 18 > megabit. > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:24 PM > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? > >> Not enough? You get 18 mbps in a 7 mhz channel >> >> >> Gino A. Villarini >> g...@aeronetpr.com >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:20 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >> >> More troll than substance but I wouldn't put more than 30 users on a >> WiMAX AP anyway... not enough bandwidth. >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Jeff Booher" <jefftho...@fastmail.fm> >> Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:28 AM >> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >> >>> It is not the same gear by any means. Tranzeo's AP is a micro base >>> station, >>> that only supports 30 subscribers. >>> >>> - >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>> >>> I'm certainly interested in ptmp. >>> >>> The Tranzeo gear is the same as Aperto isn't it? >>> marlon >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>> >>> >>>> Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... >>>> >>>> Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp >>>> >>>> >>>> Gino A. Villarini >>>> g...@aeronetpr.com >>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >>>> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >>>> Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>> >>>> Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to >> the >>>> UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. >>>> >>>> Take care leon >>>> >>>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >>>>> I'm looking into this too. >>>>> >>>>> So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install >>>>> at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see >>>>> that tower.... >>>>> >>>>> Anyone have any better ideas? >>>>> marlon >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>>>> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <motor...@wispa.org>; "WISPA >> General >>>> List" >>>>> <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM >>>>> Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Fellow operators: >>>>>> >>>>>> Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? >>>>>> >>>>>> Any updates on experiences with: >>>>>> >>>>>> Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, >>>>>> Airspan ??? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Gino A. Villarini >>>>>> g...@aeronetpr.com >>>>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >>>>>> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> -------- >>>> WISPA Wants You! 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