How do you know about flexcuffs? :-P Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message----- From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <o...@odessaoffice.com> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:06:03 To: WISPA General List<wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Installs on Towers, what's your method? It looked to me like just the tab is metal. Like the flex cuffs that the cops use. marlon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Reed" <scottr...@onlyinternet.net> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Installs on Towers, what's your method? > See a couple of earlier posts about Panduit wire ties. They have > plastic coated stainless steel, etc. > > > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> I've never heard of such a thing. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "RickG" <rgunder...@gmail.com> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 12:06 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Installs on Towers, what's your method? >> >> >> How about the metal zip ties? >> >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Marlon K. Schafer<o...@odessaoffice.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I have not seen any zip ties hold up. Even the supposedly uv rated ones. >>> >>> The BEST I've seen so far (learned this from an old time linesman) is to >>> use >>> a big, uv rated zip tie to hold things. Wrap that with good quality >>> electrical tape to keep the sun off of it. >>> >>> Or just do like the old timers. I've seen some VERY old towers out here. >>> What's holding that cable on 30 years later? Wire. Wrap it around a >>> couple >>> of times, twist and forget. >>> >>> marlon >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:18 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Installs on Towers, what's your method? >>> >>> >>> >>>> I disagree on the electrical tape. Every climb where I see electrical >>>> tape >>>> the stuff is remarkably frail. A stiff breeze would peel it right off. >>>> Maybe 3M is way better then whatever I saw. >>>> >>>> The tower climber I have to use for a couple towers lead me to these >>>> and >>>> I >>>> love them: >>>> http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=455824&eventPage=2 >>>> >>>> They can get tighter due to finer distances between ridges and last >>>> "forever". As was said, these things are razor sharp once cut. Just >>>> last >>>> week I cut my finger on one of these and didn't notice it for a good >>>> while. >>>> >>>> I can't think of anything to add to that list since you posted it but >>>> I'm >>>> sure someone will get an idea =) >>>> >>>> Good list to have! >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >>>> improbable, must be the truth." >>>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Scott Carullo >>>> <sc...@brevardwireless.com>wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Similar but instead of Zip ties use good electrical tape (3m) >>>>> >>>>> Put enough wraps (6-10) and it will last probably longer than tie wrap >>>>> and it puts more even pressure on all cable types than tie wraps >>>>> >>>>> Bonus is no rough edges, have one size fits all roll, able to remove >>>>> without tools etc >>>>> >>>>> Scott Carullo >>>>> Brevard Wireless >>>>> (321) 205-1100 x102 >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 4, 2009, at 11:56 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I just thought I'd share what we do for our tower installs, and find >>>>>> out >>>>>> what/if anything other people are doing. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> RF Prep >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Use Radio Mobile to determine what we will need for antennas, >>>>>> radios, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Basic Tower Side/Mounting/Cables >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Use a 18"-24" standoff mount, or sometimes direct to the leg >>>>>> (sectors and backhauls). >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Use LMR400 for jumper connections, mastic, tape, butyl, tape. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. Use CMXR for Cat-5e cable, solder the ground ends, seal >>>>>> around >>>>>> with heatshrink. >>>>>> >>>>>> 4. Use Dielectric Grease on all connections. Protects the >>>>>> Ethernet port and cable from allowing condensation or moisture to >>>>>> build >>>>>> up on the connector and get water inside the cable. I also use it on >>>>>> RF. Once I was on a building and installing a link. I didn't have >>>>>> any >>>>>> tape, so I just used dielectric grease on the connector. I went back >>>>>> to that building a year later and the connections are still solid. I >>>>>> know for a fact I have had water in a connector when only using >>>>>> mastic, >>>>>> so this was bare and it was dry. Link is still solid. >>>>>> >>>>>> 5. Use UV Rated zip ties, so that they don't break later on down >>>>>> the road. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Lightning Protection Side >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Use QLW-8080s Ethernet Surge Suppressor on interior of any >>>>>> MikroTik board. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Use PolyPhaser Lightning protection on all connections. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. Use 600SS or other Canopy Grounding >>>>>> >>>>>> 4. Check the resistance in the current grounding from tower to >>>>>> ground source. >>>>>> >>>>>> 5. Use CMXR for the grounding and double shield. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Safety Fall Protection >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Hard Hats/Helmets Everyone there. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Steel-toed boots with the arch plate for standing on those >>>>>> towers. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. We use Elk River and DBI/Sala Exofit Tower XP Harnesses, 1-2 >>>>>> positioning lanyards and an adjustable lanyard from Petzel. >>>>>> >>>>>> 4. Loads of shackles, beaners, block/pulleys, 5k lb load rope >>>>>> and >>>>>> 1k lb tag line. >>>>>> >>>>>> 5. Cable/Rope Grabs >>>>>> >>>>>> 6. Food/Drink/Hydration (they say water is best at tower class, >>>>>> works for me) >>>>>> >>>>>> 7. Safety plan and project meeting >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Base >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. We setup a UPS. (sometimes battery banks, depending on the >>>>>> importance of the tower) >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. We install a monitor/remote power switch. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. Solar panels, aimed per the internet for optimal sun. >>>>>> >>>>>> 4. Trojan Deep Cycle batteries, easy to find at the golf cart >>>>>> shops. >>>>>> >>>>>> 5. Setup a Site Monitor and Sync Injector if Canopy >>>>>> >>>>>> 6. Ground out everything at the base. Setup 600SS and other >>>>>> surge >>>>>> supressors >>>>>> >>>>>> 7. Mount POE's, Switches, etc. to 3/4 " x4'x4' plywood >>>>>> >>>>>> 8. Typically every tower we put up has a RB/450G or a RB/493AH >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Do a ground run through to make sure you aren't missing anything. >>>>>> Happy >>>>>> vertical travels, and up you go. Take your time, double check >>>>>> everything 3 times, as you don't want to forget and safely come down. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm probably missing some things here, but that's what I can remember >>>>>> off-hand. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Chuck Hogg >>>>>> >>>>>> Shelby Broadband >>>>>> 502-722-9292 >>>>>> ch...@shelbybb.com >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.shelbybb.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> --- >>>>>> --- >>>>>> --- >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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