How about the metal zip ties? On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Marlon K. Schafer<o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote: > I have not seen any zip ties hold up. Even the supposedly uv rated ones. > > The BEST I've seen so far (learned this from an old time linesman) is to use > a big, uv rated zip tie to hold things. Wrap that with good quality > electrical tape to keep the sun off of it. > > Or just do like the old timers. I've seen some VERY old towers out here. > What's holding that cable on 30 years later? Wire. Wrap it around a couple > of times, twist and forget. > > marlon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:18 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Installs on Towers, what's your method? > > >>I disagree on the electrical tape. Every climb where I see electrical tape >> the stuff is remarkably frail. A stiff breeze would peel it right off. >> Maybe 3M is way better then whatever I saw. >> >> The tower climber I have to use for a couple towers lead me to these and I >> love them: >> http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=455824&eventPage=2 >> >> They can get tighter due to finer distances between ridges and last >> "forever". As was said, these things are razor sharp once cut. Just last >> week I cut my finger on one of these and didn't notice it for a good >> while. >> >> I can't think of anything to add to that list since you posted it but I'm >> sure someone will get an idea =) >> >> Good list to have! >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >> improbable, must be the truth." >> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Scott Carullo >> <sc...@brevardwireless.com>wrote: >> >>> Similar but instead of Zip ties use good electrical tape (3m) >>> >>> Put enough wraps (6-10) and it will last probably longer than tie wrap >>> and it puts more even pressure on all cable types than tie wraps >>> >>> Bonus is no rough edges, have one size fits all roll, able to remove >>> without tools etc >>> >>> Scott Carullo >>> Brevard Wireless >>> (321) 205-1100 x102 >>> >>> On Aug 4, 2009, at 11:56 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote: >>> >>> > I just thought I'd share what we do for our tower installs, and find >>> > out >>> > what/if anything other people are doing. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > RF Prep >>> > >>> > 1. Use Radio Mobile to determine what we will need for antennas, >>> > radios, etc. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Basic Tower Side/Mounting/Cables >>> > >>> > 1. Use a 18"-24" standoff mount, or sometimes direct to the leg >>> > (sectors and backhauls). >>> > >>> > 2. Use LMR400 for jumper connections, mastic, tape, butyl, tape. >>> > >>> > 3. Use CMXR for Cat-5e cable, solder the ground ends, seal >>> > around >>> > with heatshrink. >>> > >>> > 4. Use Dielectric Grease on all connections. Protects the >>> > Ethernet port and cable from allowing condensation or moisture to >>> > build >>> > up on the connector and get water inside the cable. I also use it on >>> > RF. Once I was on a building and installing a link. I didn't have >>> > any >>> > tape, so I just used dielectric grease on the connector. I went back >>> > to that building a year later and the connections are still solid. I >>> > know for a fact I have had water in a connector when only using >>> > mastic, >>> > so this was bare and it was dry. Link is still solid. >>> > >>> > 5. Use UV Rated zip ties, so that they don't break later on down >>> > the road. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Lightning Protection Side >>> > >>> > 1. Use QLW-8080s Ethernet Surge Suppressor on interior of any >>> > MikroTik board. >>> > >>> > 2. Use PolyPhaser Lightning protection on all connections. >>> > >>> > 3. Use 600SS or other Canopy Grounding >>> > >>> > 4. Check the resistance in the current grounding from tower to >>> > ground source. >>> > >>> > 5. Use CMXR for the grounding and double shield. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Safety Fall Protection >>> > >>> > 1. Hard Hats/Helmets Everyone there. >>> > >>> > 2. Steel-toed boots with the arch plate for standing on those >>> > towers. >>> > >>> > 3. We use Elk River and DBI/Sala Exofit Tower XP Harnesses, 1-2 >>> > positioning lanyards and an adjustable lanyard from Petzel. >>> > >>> > 4. Loads of shackles, beaners, block/pulleys, 5k lb load rope >>> > and >>> > 1k lb tag line. >>> > >>> > 5. Cable/Rope Grabs >>> > >>> > 6. Food/Drink/Hydration (they say water is best at tower class, >>> > works for me) >>> > >>> > 7. Safety plan and project meeting >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Base >>> > >>> > 1. We setup a UPS. (sometimes battery banks, depending on the >>> > importance of the tower) >>> > >>> > 2. We install a monitor/remote power switch. >>> > >>> > 3. Solar panels, aimed per the internet for optimal sun. >>> > >>> > 4. Trojan Deep Cycle batteries, easy to find at the golf cart >>> > shops. >>> > >>> > 5. Setup a Site Monitor and Sync Injector if Canopy >>> > >>> > 6. Ground out everything at the base. Setup 600SS and other >>> > surge >>> > supressors >>> > >>> > 7. Mount POE's, Switches, etc. to 3/4 " x4'x4' plywood >>> > >>> > 8. Typically every tower we put up has a RB/450G or a RB/493AH >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Do a ground run through to make sure you aren't missing anything. >>> > Happy >>> > vertical travels, and up you go. Take your time, double check >>> > everything 3 times, as you don't want to forget and safely come down. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > I'm probably missing some things here, but that's what I can remember >>> > off-hand. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Regards, >>> > >>> > Chuck Hogg >>> > >>> > Shelby Broadband >>> > 502-722-9292 >>> > ch...@shelbybb.com >>> > >>> > http://www.shelbybb.com >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > --- >>> > --- >>> > --- >>> > --- >>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > WISPA Wants You! 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