They have a RB/411r which has it onboard. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com
-----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices An RB411 does not have onboard wireless at all, only a mPCI. A crossroads does, however. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "ralph" <ralphli...@bsrg.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the > wireless card. > It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just > like > your PC. > > So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of the > things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine for > the > user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified. If > some of you were around when PC clones were being first built, we had > these > computer shows and fairs and even some Hamfests where the local pc > builders > were showing their wares. A popular PC case was a convenient flip top > affair that allowed easy access to the cards inside without using screws. > The FCC made many a visit to these shows, shutting down and fining the > builders of these systems. They did not build the motherboard and they did > not build the case, they just *assembled* it, just like you folks are > doing > with the Mikrotik stuff. > > As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC > Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. > They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on board > wireless. > > I will quote part 15.3 here and you can decide whether or not your > routerboards are required to be certified. > If I were you, I would demand that MT have all their computing devices > certified. > > ======= > Digital device:ยง 15.3 (k) Digital device. (Previously defined as a > computing > device). An unintentional radiator (device or system) that generates and > uses timing signals or pulses at a rate in excess of 9,000 pulses (cycles) > per second and uses digital techniques; inclusive of telephone equipment > that uses digital techniques or any device or system that generates and > uses > radio frequency energy for the purpose of performing data processing > functions, such as electronic computations, operations, transformations, > recording, filing, sorting, storage, retrieval, or transfer. A radio > frequency device that is specifically subject to an emanation requirement > in > any other FCC Rule Part or an intentional radiator subject to Subpart C of > this Part that contains a digital device is not subject to the standards > for > digital devices, provided the digital device is used only to enable > operation of the radio frequency device and the digital device does not > control additional functions or capabilities. Note: Computer terminals and > peripherals that are intended to be connected to a computer are digital > devices. > > > Class A digital device: A Class "A" digital device is a digital device > that > is marketed for use in a commercial, industrial or business environment. > > Class B digital device: A Class "B" digital device is a digital device > that > is marketed for use in a residential environment. Examples of such devices > include, but are not limited to, personal computers, calculators, and > similar electronic devices that are marketed for use by the general > public. > Class B equipment, intended for use in a residential environment where the > likelihood of RFI is greater, must meet much stricter RF emission limits > than the Class A devices. > ======= > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Dennis Burgess > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:32 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > The way I understand it, the routerboard don't matter, the antenna, and > radio matters, as its certified as a system, with xx gain of this type > of antenna. You also have to have the FCC information, etc, on the > outside that MT offers to only its distributors. > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jerry Richardson > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:12 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > That's been the ongoing argument. > > I use the analogy of a PCMCIA or USB card. that's the device that is FCC > certified - the computer (routerboard) just runs it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:53 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > Excuse my ignorance but since the card is the only thing that > transmits why does the board and especially why does the enclosure > need to be certified? If one puts a two way radio in a car the radio > needs to be certified, not the whole car. > > Greg > On Sep 14, 2009, at 8:30 PM, ralph wrote: > >> Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)" >> Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if >> they are, >> that does not an FCC certified system make. >> Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. >> Something >> like the RB/card/enclosure combination. >> Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number >> for >> *that system*. >> >> Thanks >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess >> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> MT is FCC Certified :) >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> WISPA Vendor Member >> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training >> Author of "Learn RouterOS" >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of ralph >> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> Marlon- >> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say >> >> Airaya and others: FCC Certified >> Mikrotik- Not so much >> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. >> >> >> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to >> work >> fine for us, just don't mount it outside. >> >> Ralph >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> Hi All, >> >> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what >> others >> >> are using. >> >> I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of >> the >> most >> >> reliable gear that I've ever used. >> >> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of >> it in >> >> over the last year or so. >> >> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to >> the >> >> outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. >> >> It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do >> the >> >> same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go >> too >> >> cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain..... What are you >> guys >> using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, >> all I >> need to replace is the indoor ratios. >> >> Why would you install what you put in? >> >> laters, >> marlon >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> ---- >> ---- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> ---- >> ---- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> -------- >> WISPA Wants You! 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