I can't look again because I just dropped it off at UPS to go back for RMA. I had never opened this one until now, but the board say 433 and the case says 433AH. I bought a 433AH Is the board in a 433AH board marked as such or do they all say 433?
-----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices The FCC logo on the RB433AH is right next to the "CE" logo just to the left of the two (ram?) chips about 2/3 of the way down the board. ralph wrote: > I don't see anything like that on the pdf you referred to. > I have in my hand a 433AH in a case that came from a well known supplier of > pre-cased RBs > There are no markings on the case about compliance with any rule or any FCC > numbers at all. > There is nothing that says FCC on the top of the RB inside either. I did > not remove the board and look underneath. > > As far as where you go to see if it is certified or not, I don't know all > the places, but there is usually a sticker that gives the details about the > certification. > You can also check the FCC filing, which I believe even shows replicas of > the sticker. I think the user's manual also mentions the approval. > > The Crossroads FCC filing shows the sticker and its placement. > https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82 > 9435&native_or_pdf=pdf > > The user's manual has an entire page dedicated to the FCC data including all > the warnings on page 11 > https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82 > 9433&native_or_pdf=pdf > > > > Mikrotik has very little stuff certified. Most of the listings are for the > same devices, just certified on different frequencies or in different > configurations. > There are the 2 things I already mentioned, as well as these: > > R5H (a radio card only) photos show it in a routerboard being used as a > "test fixture" but test was only for the card, and an FCC label must be > placed on the outside of the final enclosure. Actually the same as > WLM54AGP23 but FCC shown so record of this device. > > R52 : This module is intended for OEM integrator. The OEM integrator is > still responsible > for the FCC compliance requirement of the end product, which integrates this > module. > > > So if you go and put an R52 in anything, it becomes *your* responsibility to > the FCC to maintain compliance. MT appears to be pretty much immune to > citations on this issue. One could conclude that someone like Dennis > probably operates this way. > > It isn't just MT. The Williboard stuff (when assembled by Deliberant or > Ligowave) becomes certified too. > > I also seem to remember that the Pronghorn Metro stuff has do it yourself > instructions showing exactly how to build the unit so it is just like the > one they had certified, right down to the internal pigtail. > > I can't locate my StarOS equipment to see what they did, but something is > telling me that they have the proper stickers too. I'd have to check, or > maybe Lonnie can address the issue. > > It would really be nice to draw together a list of just which equipment was > and was not. Some folks would care I think. > Of course from what I have read and seen over the years, many of you do not > care whether or not you are operating legally. > > I'm not trying to start anything- just stating the facts as I see 'em. > > Ralph > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Randy Cosby > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:31 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > What does the FCC symbol stamped on my RB433AH signify? (see > http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb433ah.pdf) > > Where does one look to see what devices are FCC part-15 Class A and B > certified? > > Randy > > Mike Hammett wrote: > >> An RB411 does not have onboard wireless at all, only a mPCI. A crossroads >> > > >> does, however. >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "ralph" <ralphli...@bsrg.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM >> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> >> >>> Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the >>> wireless card. >>> It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just >>> like >>> your PC. >>> >>> So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of >>> > the > >>> things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine for >>> the >>> user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified. If >>> some of you were around when PC clones were being first built, we had >>> these >>> computer shows and fairs and even some Hamfests where the local pc >>> builders >>> were showing their wares. A popular PC case was a convenient flip top >>> affair that allowed easy access to the cards inside without using screws. >>> The FCC made many a visit to these shows, shutting down and fining the >>> builders of these systems. They did not build the motherboard and they >>> > did > >>> not build the case, they just *assembled* it, just like you folks are >>> doing >>> with the Mikrotik stuff. >>> >>> As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC >>> Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. >>> They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on >>> > board > >>> wireless. >>> >>> I will quote part 15.3 here and you can decide whether or not your >>> routerboards are required to be certified. >>> If I were you, I would demand that MT have all their computing devices >>> certified. >>> >>> ======= >>> Digital device:ยง 15.3 (k) Digital device. (Previously defined as a >>> computing >>> device). An unintentional radiator (device or system) that generates and >>> uses timing signals or pulses at a rate in excess of 9,000 pulses >>> > (cycles) > >>> per second and uses digital techniques; inclusive of telephone equipment >>> that uses digital techniques or any device or system that generates and >>> uses >>> radio frequency energy for the purpose of performing data processing >>> functions, such as electronic computations, operations, transformations, >>> recording, filing, sorting, storage, retrieval, or transfer. A radio >>> frequency device that is specifically subject to an emanation requirement >>> > > >>> in >>> any other FCC Rule Part or an intentional radiator subject to Subpart C >>> > of > >>> this Part that contains a digital device is not subject to the standards >>> for >>> digital devices, provided the digital device is used only to enable >>> operation of the radio frequency device and the digital device does not >>> control additional functions or capabilities. Note: Computer terminals >>> > and > >>> peripherals that are intended to be connected to a computer are digital >>> devices. >>> >>> >>> Class A digital device: A Class "A" digital device is a digital device >>> that >>> is marketed for use in a commercial, industrial or business environment. >>> >>> Class B digital device: A Class "B" digital device is a digital device >>> that >>> is marketed for use in a residential environment. Examples of such >>> > devices > >>> include, but are not limited to, personal computers, calculators, and >>> similar electronic devices that are marketed for use by the general >>> public. >>> Class B equipment, intended for use in a residential environment where >>> > the > >>> likelihood of RFI is greater, must meet much stricter RF emission limits >>> than the Class A devices. >>> ======= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:32 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> The way I understand it, the routerboard don't matter, the antenna, and >>> radio matters, as its certified as a system, with xx gain of this type >>> of antenna. You also have to have the FCC information, etc, on the >>> outside that MT offers to only its distributors. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Jerry Richardson >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:12 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> That's been the ongoing argument. >>> >>> I use the analogy of a PCMCIA or USB card. that's the device that is FCC >>> certified - the computer (routerboard) just runs it. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:53 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> Excuse my ignorance but since the card is the only thing that >>> transmits why does the board and especially why does the enclosure >>> need to be certified? If one puts a two way radio in a car the radio >>> needs to be certified, not the whole car. >>> >>> Greg >>> On Sep 14, 2009, at 8:30 PM, ralph wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)" >>>> Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if >>>> they are, >>>> that does not an FCC certified system make. >>>> Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. >>>> Something >>>> like the RB/card/enclosure combination. >>>> Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number >>>> for >>>> *that system*. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>> On >>>> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess >>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>>> >>>> MT is FCC Certified :) >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>>> WISPA Vendor Member >>>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training >>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS" >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>> On >>>> Behalf Of ralph >>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM >>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>>> >>>> Marlon- >>>> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say >>>> >>>> Airaya and others: FCC Certified >>>> Mikrotik- Not so much >>>> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. >>>> >>>> >>>> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to >>>> work >>>> fine for us, just don't mount it outside. >>>> >>>> Ralph >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>> On >>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what >>>> others >>>> >>>> are using. >>>> >>>> I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of >>>> the >>>> most >>>> >>>> reliable gear that I've ever used. >>>> >>>> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of >>>> it in >>>> >>>> over the last year or so. >>>> >>>> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to >>>> the >>>> >>>> outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. >>>> >>>> It would be nice to go with Airaya again. 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