Again, point 5. - "open Internet principles apply only to lawful content, services and > applications -- not to activities like unlawful distribution of copyrighted > works, which has serious economic consequences."
Of course, how do you know that bittorrent user isn't distributing GNU licensed material rather than superhotxxxmovie (c)2009 by superhotxxxmoviecompany.com? There's the rub. --C Clint Ricker wrote: > The language of point 3 is targetting heavy "users", not "applications" that > may be heavy under some, even common, circumstances. While it seems like a > small detail, it is, in fact, a big distinction--why should I be blocked > from using bit torrent to download a gutenberg ebook (ie legal & small) > because my neighbor is doing warez full throttle, 24/7/365? > > Genachowski specifically alluded to Comcast degrading bit torrent traffic, > something that Comcast claimed to be doing for reasons of network management > and blocking of illegal content. > > Waving the illegal content flag is, in my opinion, very short sighted: > - Legal video streaming services (hulu, netflix on demand) are rising. > These are worse, in a lot of ways, than the bit torrent model since it > requires a sustained throughput to provide a usable customer experience. > They also often use HTTP or other common protocols. > - Bit Torrent itself is trending more "legal"; major content providers and > software companies are using it for legal distribution of content while the > illegal content is making its way to other networks that are more secure / > private > - Last, but certainly not least, content providers are VERY eager to sign up > the ISPs as "content" cops. Once you start down that road, you may very > well find yourself as an operator having given away your own safe harbor > rights and having the legal obligation to police your network for bad > content. In general, it's hard to not see the WISPs taking the side of > major MSOs, RBOCs, and content providers as a dangerous game. It's one > thing to decide to block bit torrent because it carries a large percentage > of illegal content. It's another thing when you have to implement, at your > own expense, url / ip filtering, install deep packet inspection hardware > (VERY expensive), and other extensive, expensive, and very time consuming > process or face repeated and ongoing liability every time some kid on your > network wants to duck out on paying 99c for an mp3. > > The content providers have been pushing for this for years; if ISPs start > dancing the same tune to win the "right" to do some occasional fiddling with > some packets, it would likely shift the balance of power. Given that many > of the major service providers (Comcast, Time Warner, etc...) are also major > content providers meaning that the expenses of manditory content filtering > carried by the service provider business are offset by potential increases > in profitability for the content producing side of the house. You, on the > other hand, have nothing to gain here. > > You thought CALEA was bad? > > -Clint Ricker > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Curtis Maurand <cmaur...@xyonet.com> wrote: > > >> Take a look at the third and the fifth bullet points. >> >> --C >> >> Clint Ricker wrote: >> >>> Where is everyone getting that you are allowed to prioritize anything? >>> >> The >> >>> speech details three points along the subject of prioritization. The >>> >> Julius >> >>> Genachowski's recent speech specifically said "no prioritization"--refer >>> >> to >> >>> section 5. >>> >>> - "This means they cannot block or degrade lawful traffic over their >>> networks" (blocking / deprioritizing) >>> - "or pick winners by favoring some content or applications over others >>> >> in >> >>> the connection to subscribers' homes" (prioritizing) >>> - "During periods of network congestion, for example, it may be >>> >> appropriate >> >>> for providers to ensure that very heavy users do not crowd out everyone >>> else" (block / degrade on a per-user basis, rather than per-application?) >>> - Doesn't apply to managed services (I believe that he's referring to >>> >> metro >> >>> Ethernet with QOS) >>> - "open Internet principles apply only to lawful content, services and >>> applications -- not to activities like unlawful distribution of >>> >> copyrighted >> >>> works, which has serious economic consequences." (As I said in my Senate >>> confirmation hearing, open Internet principles apply only to lawful >>> >> content, >> >>> services and applications -- not to activities like unlawful distribution >>> >> of >> >>> copyrighted works, which has serious economic consequences.) >>> >>> Where has any statement been made regarding prioritization being ok? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> -Clint Ricker >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Right, which is why I phrased it that way. You can't deprioritize >>>> anything, >>>> but you can prioritize anything (based upon what I've read on this >>>> >> list). >> >>>> They accomplish the same thing, but at face value, one is permissible >>>> >> the >> >>>> other is not. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Jeff Broadwick" <jeffl...@comcast.net> >>>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:53 PM >>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting >>>> >> for >> >>>> >>>>> You'd have to ask the FCC. Seems like it's the opposite side of the >>>>> >> same >> >>>>> coin. >>>>> >>>>> Jeff >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>> >> On >> >>>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 1:51 PM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting >>>>> >> for >> >>>>> What's the difference between prioritizing all traditional services >>>>> >> above >> >>>>> other and deprioritizing the "bad" ones below other? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "Jeff Broadwick" <jeffl...@comcast.net> >>>>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:07 PM >>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting >>>>> >> for >> >>>>> >>>>>> The FCC has said that you cannot de-prioritize any type of traffic. >>>>>> >> You >> >>>>>> have to do it by prioritizing other types of traffic. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jeff >>>>>> ImageStream >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>> >> On >> >>>>>> Behalf Of Jerry Richardson >>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:53 PM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> for >>>> >>>> >>>>>> I read the Fifth as I cannot discriminate - meaning block this but not >>>>>> that. >>>>>> It says nothing about shaping. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jerry >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>> >> On >> >>>>>> Behalf Of David E. Smith >>>>>> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:33 AM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for >>>>>> >>>>>> http://openinternet.gov/read-speech.html >>>>>> >>>>>> In addition to the four classic "Network neutrality" principles, the >>>>>> >> FCC >> >>>>>> plans to pursue two more. Quotes from the speech: >>>>>> >>>>>> * "The fifth principle is one of non-discrimination -- stating that >>>>>> broadband providers cannot discriminate against particular Internet >>>>>> content >>>>>> or applications." >>>>>> * "The sixth principle is a transparency principle -- stating that >>>>>> providers >>>>>> of broadband Internet access must be transparent about their network >>>>>> management practices." >>>>>> >>>>>> I love the sixth one, but number five gives me the willies. "Nope, >>>>>> doesn't >>>>>> matter that BitTorrent users bring your network to its knees, you're >>>>>> >> not >> >>>>>> allowed to do anything about it." 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