If we really want to retain the right to prioritize, go rattle the chain of the RIAA. Put the bug in their ear that this will give more speed to the torrents. They have a lobby group that can smack this down.
Bob- -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Clint Ricker Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for Where is everyone getting that you are allowed to prioritize anything? The speech details three points along the subject of prioritization. The Julius Genachowski's recent speech specifically said "no prioritization"--refer to section 5. - "This means they cannot block or degrade lawful traffic over their networks" (blocking / deprioritizing) - "or pick winners by favoring some content or applications over others in the connection to subscribers' homes" (prioritizing) - "During periods of network congestion, for example, it may be appropriate for providers to ensure that very heavy users do not crowd out everyone else" (block / degrade on a per-user basis, rather than per-application?) - Doesn't apply to managed services (I believe that he's referring to metro Ethernet with QOS) - "open Internet principles apply only to lawful content, services and applications -- not to activities like unlawful distribution of copyrighted works, which has serious economic consequences." (As I said in my Senate confirmation hearing, open Internet principles apply only to lawful content, services and applications -- not to activities like unlawful distribution of copyrighted works, which has serious economic consequences.) Where has any statement been made regarding prioritization being ok? Thanks, -Clint Ricker On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net>wrote: > Right, which is why I phrased it that way. You can't deprioritize > anything, > but you can prioritize anything (based upon what I've read on this list). > They accomplish the same thing, but at face value, one is permissible the > other is not. > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Jeff Broadwick" <jeffl...@comcast.net> > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:53 PM > To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for > > > You'd have to ask the FCC. Seems like it's the opposite side of the same > > coin. > > > > Jeff > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 1:51 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for > > > > What's the difference between prioritizing all traditional services above > > other and deprioritizing the "bad" ones below other? > > > > > > ----- > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Jeff Broadwick" <jeffl...@comcast.net> > > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:07 PM > > To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for > > > >> The FCC has said that you cannot de-prioritize any type of traffic. You > >> have to do it by prioritizing other types of traffic. > >> > >> Jeff > >> ImageStream > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > >> Behalf Of Jerry Richardson > >> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:53 PM > >> To: WISPA General List > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting > for > >> > >> I read the Fifth as I cannot discriminate - meaning block this but not > >> that. > >> It says nothing about shaping. > >> > >> Jerry > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > >> Behalf Of David E. Smith > >> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:33 AM > >> To: WISPA General List > >> Subject: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for > >> > >> http://openinternet.gov/read-speech.html > >> > >> In addition to the four classic "Network neutrality" principles, the FCC > >> plans to pursue two more. Quotes from the speech: > >> > >> * "The fifth principle is one of non-discrimination -- stating that > >> broadband providers cannot discriminate against particular Internet > >> content > >> or applications." > >> * "The sixth principle is a transparency principle -- stating that > >> providers > >> of broadband Internet access must be transparent about their network > >> management practices." > >> > >> I love the sixth one, but number five gives me the willies. "Nope, > >> doesn't > >> matter that BitTorrent users bring your network to its knees, you're not > >> allowed to do anything about it." Please tell me I'm missing something. > >> > >> David Smith > >> MVN.net > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> ---- > >> WISPA Wants You! 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