Actually, the United States ranks number 37 in the world for the best doctors and health care system. Most Americans are under the impression that we are number one in so many things but sadly we are way less than number one in most everything. The best doctors and healthcare system? France and Italy. Cuba actually has a very impressive health system and many countries send their doctors there for training. Again, sad but true. Hiding ones head in the sand and ignoring what goes on outside our borders is what we've been doing. I know it's not competition, per se, but it should at least be used as a measuring tool. I'm not under any delusion that we or myself are best in anything. Keeps me moving.
Bob- Is this the "Insurance List"? This is why politics should be a No-No. It's 99% of the list now. Bob- -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 11:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance.... No kidding. No profits no medical advancements. Where do people go when they seek the best doctors and health system in the world? America. Brad -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance.... No, not that simple... On 12/7/09, Robert West <robert.w...@just-micro.com> wrote: > Exactly. We are the one and only industrialized country (with whatever > industry we might have left) who puts "profit" in healthcare. As you > stated, their goal is to NOT pay and they can and do come up with anything > they can find to do that. > > Profit has no place in healthcare. Single payer is the only thing I see > working. As far as increased taxes to pay for it, we already are paying for > it and getting zero bang for our buck. As George from the great white north > said, healthcare shows up nowhere in his budget. They just pay extra in > taxes. > > Medicare for all. End of the controversy. Simple. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Tom Sharples > Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:24 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance.... > > One of the basic probems IMO is that the whole idea of medical insurance, as > > currentlky implemented, is fundamentally flawed. Consider selling ISP > services under the model of "broadband insurance." Under that model, your > customer would pay you a certain amount per month in case he needs > broadband, and you would do your best to find reasons to deny him access. Or > > how about "housing insurance" instead of monthly rent. You pay the landlord > a certain amount every month in case you need shelter and he oversubscribes > a number of his units and hires guards to keep people out on various > pretexts. Sound completely ridiculous, yet unless you're in an HMO like > Kaiser that's the system we have now. > > What we need is universal (private or public) access to medical care, > healthy lifestyle incentives, and the elimination of stupid laws that only > serve to increase the costs of medical care and prescription drugs to US > consumers, restrict free-market access across state and international > lines,create incentives toward excess consumption and CYA medical pratices, > and only serve to increase the costs of medical care and prescription drugs > to US consumers. > > Tom S. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RickG" <rgunder...@gmail.com> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 4:06 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance.... > > >> Someone posted earlier that the health insurance industry is not truly run >> in a "free market". It's "failure" is exactly due to this. Even after all >> the government rules and regulations, who in the USA does not have >> "access" >> to health care? >> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:58 PM, David E. Smith <d...@mvn.net> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 16:42, MDK <rea...@muddyfrogwater.us> wrote: >>> >>> > The free market really does work. We use it daily in our business... >>> > Now >>> >>> imagine if we used it for health care, too. We know how to do that, >>> don't >>> > we? >>> >>> >>> There is a fundamental difference between broadband Internet and basic >>> medical care, and the fact that tens of millions of Americans have better >>> access to the former than the latter shows that in this instance the free >>> market has failed miserably. >>> >>> David Smith >>> MVN.net >>> >>> >>> >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >>> WISPA Wants You! 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