Jack, make that two trolls :) With all due respect, isnt that exactly how liberals respond to conservative claims - by demonizing them? Marks comments were spot on and I couldnt have said them any better, so I'm resending them with my name on the end. I respect your right to your viewpoint but I hope you have data to support the claims. I know the the data is there for the more conservative claims. So, just in case you hit delete:
Since the founding of the country until the 1960's, the federal government rarely spent more than single digit percentaqes of everything we produce, except in time of war. We as a nation prospered immensely without a department of education, federal welfare, and millions upon millions of pages of regulations that covered everything from our toilet tank size to the tags on your mattress. It is precisely and amazingly preposterous to think that we could not possibly "do without" this massive nanny state that's threatening to consume nearly 35% of everything produced, and directly control over 1/2 of every dollar earned in this country. Your statement is utterly insulting to all of us. Not only can we live without the federal government's nose in everything we do, we would be MUCH better off if it were so. To tell me that I and all of the rest of us are incapable of survival without massive intrusion into our lives by politicians in Washington DC is an insult that is simply not forgivable in the common realm. Not only could we do without 80% of all the agencies, we could do without 90% of all the millions of pages of rules and laws. We could not only do without, we would be healthier, happier, wealthier, and more responsible if it were so. Your comment has slipped over the edge from simple discussion of the merits of federal actions vs our businesses and how we earn a living, to a blind ideological fantasy, where all comes from Washington DC. These things we expect from Politicians... they are by nature self serving... But why from you? -RickG On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Jack Unger <jun...@ask-wi.com> wrote: > Sorry Mark, > > I truly appreciate and enjoy responding to all appropriate and responsible > posts but your LONG HISTORY of troll behavior will FOREVER elicit the same > response from me. > > I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the > troll. I will not feed the troll. I will not feed the troll. > > > > MDK wrote: > > Jack, it remains very difficult to be civil, when you post this kind of > stuff. > > Since the founding of the country until the 1960's, the federal government > rarely spent more than single digit percentaqes of everything we produce, > except in time of war. We as a nation prospered immensely without a > department of education, federal welfare, and millions upon millions of > pages of regulations that covered everything from our toilet tank size to > the tags on your mattress. > > It is precisely and amazingly preposterous to think that we could not > possibly "do without" this massive nanny state that's threatening to consume > nearly 35% of everything produced, and directly control over 1/2 of every > dollar earned in this country. Your statement is utterly insulting to all > of us. Not only can we live without the federal government's nose in > everything we do, we would be MUCH better off if it were so. To tell me > that I and all of the rest of us are incapable of survival without massive > intrusion into our lives by politicians in Washington DC is an insult that > is simply not forgivable in the common realm. > > Not only could we do without 80% of all the agencies, we could do without > 90% of all the millions of pages of rules and laws. We could not only do > without, we would be healthier, happier, wealthier, and more responsible if > it were so. > > Your comment has slipped over the edge from simple discussion of the merits > of federal actions vs our businesses and how we earn a living, to a blind > ideological fantasy, where all comes from Washington DC. These things we > expect from Politicians... they are by nature self serving... But why from > you? > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Jack Unger" <jun...@ask-wi.com> <jun...@ask-wi.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 2:48 PM > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> <wireless@wispa.org> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation > ofnet-neutrality> Brad, > > > There is really only one way to get a smaller government without > throwing society into total disarray. That method is to have a smaller > country, in other words, a lower level of population. With an exploding > population there is just no way that I can see to get a smaller > government. > > If only reclaiming our country for working people was as easy as voting > the incumbents out that would be GREAT but unfortunately it's not that > simple. Voting the incumbents out won't result in government doing a > better job for working people because the real influence is the > big-corporation money that finances the election campaigns for each new > crop of political nominees. The big-money lobbyists remain when each old > group of politicians is voted out so the big-money corporation's power > actually becomes greater and greater as time goes on. > > The solution that I propose is equal public financing for ALL political > campaigns. Each nominee (and incumbent) would receive an equal number of > taxpayer dollars to run their campaign. This will help ALL candidates > remember who they are supposed to be working for (working-class > taxpayers, not large corporations). > > As to regaining some influence for working people with regard to banks, > I'd recommend that everyone put their money in a local credit union or > small local community bank. My money has been kept in a local community > credit union for over 20 years and I feel good about it being there. > It's contributing to the community instead of being used in an > irresponsible fashion and/or used against the best interests of the > community. > > Best, > jack > > > Brad Belton wrote: > > > The fundamental difference that Jack fails to recognize is if a bank (or > organization other than the government) does treat you unfairly you have > recourse. If your own government treats you unfairly, you have little to > no > recourse. > > > > Yes, we can all only hope the majority of Americans will continue to > stand > up and say no more to big government. A smaller less intrusive > government > is what America needs. In order to achieve this we have to remove the > career politicians from office that have clearly lost touch with the > people > that elected them. > > > > Brad > > > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org > <wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On > Behalf Of Jack Unger > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:01 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation > of > net-neutrality > > > > So, now that government has been drowned, the huge banks, insurance > companies, telecoms can do whatever they want to you whenever they want > to > do it. > > BWaaaah, haaa, haaaa, haaa, haaaaggggh.... > > > Frank Crawford wrote: > > YES > > Jack Unger wrote: > > > I trust that government will be able to keep up just fine. Do you > support the alternative of making government so small that you can drown > it in a bathtub? > > Glenn Kelley wrote: > > > > Title II of the Communications Act-the section that regulates > telecommunications common carriers is now being considered by the FCC to > oversee broadband. FCC Commissioner Robert M. McDowell during a talk he > gave to the Free State Foundation asked: (see First Do No Harm: A > broadband > plan for Amercia) > "Exactly what kind of companies might get tangled up into this regulatory > Rubik's Cube?.Any Internet company that offers a voice application?" . > "With > this newfound authority, why stop at voice apps? Isn't voice just another > type of data app? As the distinction between network operators and > application providers continues to blur at an eye-popping rate, how will > the > government be able to keep up?" > > > Much more on the blog: www.HostMedic.com --> > ____________________________________________________________________________ > _________ > Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com > Email: gl...@hostmedic.com > Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > WISPA Wants You! 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