Good points. When I have to choose between guns (war) or butter (peace), I'll choose the butter.
Robert West wrote: > Life, Liberty, Property. > > Those were the basics that our government was formed to protect for us. > > For the common defense. > > It's now morphed from the government For the people into people For the > government. As long as there are greedy people and the "what about mine?" > thinkers, it won't get any better. > > As far as the current situation I think we should bring back the war tax and > the draft. Now hear me out on this.... > > Are we at war? Where? I dunno, I'm not involved in any way, shape or form. > Not directly anyhow. So it continues to zap the life out of this country. > We've sanitized the citizenry out of war thus it can go on forever without > much thought from those of us out here trying to live our lives and put food > on the table and pay for the folly of it all. > > If we had a war tax and kids were being drafted, we'd all be involved, more > commonly polarized and I guarantee you we wouldn't be pouring billions every > month down useless well. > > Just my crazy thoughts. > > Bob- > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Brad Belton > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:38 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of > net-neutrality > > Jack, > > > > Your police analogy is flawed. > > > > While it may take a larger police force to serve and insure the safety of a > larger population it does not take a larger government body with increased > invasion of those people's lives to govern effectively. A larger population > requires no more or fewer laws than a small population as the laws are > applied to all regardless of the size of population. > > > > Agreed, the more people that "give up" and begin to simply depend on the > government to provide for them the worse our country (or any country) > becomes. This is exactly what big government wants; the people to become > more dependent on them. The more dependent the people become on big > government the more power they have over your life and the fewer freedoms > you enjoy. > > > > Why is it that so many small businesses exist? They exist partly because > they can provide a better service/price than the "big guys". Wireless > providers (other than those looking for a handout to keep their doors open) > exist because the ILECs created an opportunity that we identified and acted > upon. Capitalism and the market works well as long as big government stays > out of it. I don't know about the rest here, but the more the big Telco's > charge the better my business does! > > > > What does America have to show for all the ridiculous recent spending? GM > is still losing Billions of dollars, the big banks that were forced to take > TARP haven't changed and many have repaid TARP to get the government out of > their business. Is it such a bad thing to own and operate a small business > with no long term debt? Sure, it makes getting the company off the ground > that much harder, but it also creates a personal investment and commitment > by the proprietor beyond any cash infusion. > > > > Unemployment is nearing record highs as those (evil guys) that employ people > weather the storm of uncertainty. People are losing their homes.many of > which never should have been afforded the privilege of home ownership if it > were not for big government forcing lenders to lend to unqualified buyers. > > > > I can go on, but I get the feeling none of this makes any sense to you, > Jack. That's fine with me.there are those that do and those that.I don't > know.just coast along I guess? > > > > Best, > > > > > > Brad > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jack Unger > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 7:55 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of > net-neutrality > > > > Brad, > > You are misunderstanding or ignoring what I've been saying so let's try it > again. > > When you have more people crowded into the same space your are going to have > more frequent and more complex problems, including more fighting over the > available amount of resources. Like it or not, attempting to maintain order > is expected of government, be it large or small government. A two-person > police force is expected to be able to maintain order in a tiny community > and a 10,000 person police force is expected to be able to maintain order in > a large city. A two-person (small government) police force will not be able > to maintain order in New York or Los Angeles. "Socialism" (however that is > defined or mis-defined) has nothing to do with this basic dynamic. > > America was built by hard-working people who thrived within the limited > government framework that the founding fathers provided. Unfortunately > today, 99% of the working people have lost or given up their power to govern > their own lives. That power now resides in the hands of large corporations > (banks, factory farms, seed companies, meat processors, insurance companies, > news networks, incumbent telecom companies, etc.). Government has > unfortunately become complicit in this dynamic. Today, big money > corporations control government by "buying off" politicians through large > campaign contributions. It doesn't matter if the politicians are Democrats > or Republicans. Our big-money political system has corrupted virtually all > of them. Until we fix our broken political system by removing the > corrupting effect of big money, none of us will regain the freedoms that > were fought for and won by our ancestors. > > jack > > > > Brad Belton wrote: > > Jack, > > I completely disagree with the notion that America has to become smaller to > have a smaller less invasive government! It is a socialist mentality to > think that only government can grow America or help Americans. > > America achieved its success by people utilizing their abilities to better > themselves and their lives free of an overly burdening government. America > was not built by grants, entitlements or anything big government can > possibly provide. Instead our constitution provides a framework outlining > government limitations, so as to prevent government to ever be able to > control the people it governs. The people of the republic govern not the > other way around. > > Countless Americans have given their lives to protect the very freedom big > government takes away. Government run health care just happens to be the > straw that broke the camel's back and Americans are saying enough is enough > in overwhelming numbers. > > > Brad > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jack Unger > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:48 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of > net-neutrality > > Brad, > > There is really only one way to get a smaller government without > throwing society into total disarray. That method is to have a smaller > country, in other words, a lower level of population. With an exploding > population there is just no way that I can see to get a smaller government. > > If only reclaiming our country for working people was as easy as voting > the incumbents out that would be GREAT but unfortunately it's not that > simple. Voting the incumbents out won't result in government doing a > better job for working people because the real influence is the > big-corporation money that finances the election campaigns for each new > crop of political nominees. The big-money lobbyists remain when each old > group of politicians is voted out so the big-money corporation's power > actually becomes greater and greater as time goes on. > > The solution that I propose is equal public financing for ALL political > campaigns. Each nominee (and incumbent) would receive an equal number of > taxpayer dollars to run their campaign. This will help ALL candidates > remember who they are supposed to be working for (working-class > taxpayers, not large corporations). > > As to regaining some influence for working people with regard to banks, > I'd recommend that everyone put their money in a local credit union or > small local community bank. My money has been kept in a local community > credit union for over 20 years and I feel good about it being there. > It's contributing to the community instead of being used in an > irresponsible fashion and/or used against the best interests of the > community. > > Best, > jack > > > Brad Belton wrote: > > > The fundamental difference that Jack fails to recognize is if a bank (or > organization other than the government) does treat you unfairly you have > recourse. If your own government treats you unfairly, you have little to > > > no > > > recourse. > > > > Yes, we can all only hope the majority of Americans will continue to stand > up and say no more to big government. A smaller less intrusive government > is what America needs. In order to achieve this we have to remove the > career politicians from office that have clearly lost touch with the > > > people > > > that elected them. > > > > Brad > > > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jack Unger > Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:01 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation > > > of > > > net-neutrality > > > > So, now that government has been drowned, the huge banks, insurance > companies, telecoms can do whatever they want to you whenever they want to > do it. > > BWaaaah, haaa, haaaa, haaa, haaaaggggh.... > > > Frank Crawford wrote: > > YES > > Jack Unger wrote: > > > I trust that government will be able to keep up just fine. Do you > support the alternative of making government so small that you can drown > it in a bathtub? > > Glenn Kelley wrote: > > > > Title II of the Communications Act-the section that regulates > telecommunications common carriers is now being considered by the FCC to > oversee broadband. FCC Commissioner Robert M. McDowell during a talk he > gave to the Free State Foundation asked: (see First Do No Harm: A > > > broadband > > > plan for Amercia) > "Exactly what kind of companies might get tangled up into this regulatory > Rubik's Cube?.Any Internet company that offers a voice application?" . > > > "With > > > this newfound authority, why stop at voice apps? Isn't voice just another > type of data app? As the distinction between network operators and > application providers continues to blur at an eye-popping rate, how will > > > the > > > government be able to keep up?" > > > Much more on the blog: www.HostMedic.com --> > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > > _________ > Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com > Email: gl...@hostmedic.com > Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---- > WISPA Wants You! 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