For us WiMAX neophytes, could you explain the ASN gateway and why it's on your list of things you don't want?
Randy On 3/18/2010 1:37 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: > The same base-station company I mentioned in my previous post has done > interoperability testing and certified 3.65 CPEs from asian vendors as > well... > http://www.purewavenetworks.com/Solutions/CPEPortfolio.aspx > > 3.65-3.675 GHz > > MTI > XS-615-035M-021 > P/N: 050-00365-25M > > 3.6-3.8 GHz > > GEMTEK > WIXS-177 > P/N: 050-00365-155 > > They are both based on the Sequans chipset which is a quite popular > choice among asian (and some non-asian) vendors, so (besides FCC > certification) most asian CPEs are very likely to work. > > That makes MIMO and beamforming available at 3.65 GHz, I guess. > Disclaimer: I've not tested MIMO and/or beamforming at 3.65 GHz, but > at 3.5 GHz the technology is a game changer. I've also not tested > Purewave gear as they weren't on the market at the time of the tests, > but their choice of not requiring an ASN gateway was on the wish-list > I gave to all the vendors that we actually tested. > > > Rubens > > > > On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Patrick Leary<ple...@apertonet.com> wrote: > >> My point stands Ruben; thanks for making it for me further. You are >> referring to a licensed frequency of 3.5 GHz. I am referring to quasi >> (really unlicensed from a practical standpoint) 3.65 GHz. >> >> I have been around the block a very long time in this business. The rude >> fact is that the big companies don't care about this small (from a global >> perspective) U.S. niche band of 3.65 GHz enough to put any money and >> resources into interoperability. It is not like globally accepted (U.S. not >> withstanding) licensed 3.5 GHz (which is still a tiny market relative to >> Wi-Fi) and the even smaller licensed 2.5 GHz in the U.S. (or 2.3 GHz WiBRO >> in South Korea). >> >> I am well compentent and authoritative enough to speak on this industry far >> beyond the narrow confines of my company. And as I have been doing since Dec >> 1999 when I first hit the lists, I will call BS and/or clarify market >> misunderstanding when I see it. >> >> >> Patrick Leary >> Aperto Networks >> 813.426.4230 mobile >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl >> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:38 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal >> >> What you call a total myth (CPE x basestation interopoerability) is >> something that I actually tested in the field with 3.5 GHz .16e, which is >> not as popular as 2.3/2.5 WiBro/Clearwire/Yota frequencies. >> >> If Aperto has such interoperability issues, please talk only for Aperto, not >> for the marketplace. >> >> >> Rubens >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Patrick Leary<ple...@apertonet.com> wrote: >> >>> Myth. Total Myth. There is no interoperability in 3.65 GHz that allows >>> someone to source .16e CPE from any number of "Cheap asian CPEs." That is >>> one of the most 180 degrees wrong myths. >>> >>> The fact is that every vendor, regardless of the WiMAX standard, sells its >>> own CPE precisely because the interoperability hype is total bull. >>> >>> What has happened is that unknowledgable people have confused the WiMAX >>> Forum's efforts re interoperability in 2.5 GHz (limited as even that is) >>> with it being somehow relative to other frequencies like quasi-licensed >>> 3.65 GHz. >>> >>> >>> Patrick Leary >>> Aperto Networks >>> 813.426.4230 mobile >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl >>> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:45 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal >>> >>> What UBNT has shown is that one can go inexpensive alternatives and make >>> them good products. >>> The equivalent in WiMAX is PureWave Networks; their base station can do >>> MIMO and beamforming and doesn't require an ASN-GW, which was the higher >>> CAPEX for a small 802.16e deployment until they came along. >>> >>> Being 16e means you can have 10 MHz channels (best there is in the WiMAX >>> world before 20 MHz 16m), MIMO, beamforming and can buy all those cheap >>> asian CPEs instead of the vendor lock-in that happens in 16d. >>> >>> http://www.purewavenetworks.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Rubens >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Patrick Leary<ple...@apertonet.com> wrote: >>> >>>> 802.11 and its MIMO costs are not relevant to WiMAX and its MIMO costs. >>>> >>>> >>>> Patrick Leary >>>> Aperto Networks >>>> 813.426.4230 mobile >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:17 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal >>>> >>>> Regular MIMO doesn't have to be expensive, UBNT has proven that. >>>> More complicated forms of diversity, well, that remains to be seen. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Patrick Leary"<ple...@apertonet.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:04 AM >>>> To: "WISPA General List"<wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal >>>> >>>> >>>>> Indeed MIMO does help through trees according to people I trust, but >>>>> again we default to the "but at what cost" question. We believe this >>>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>>> be especially true in more rural deployments. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Patrick Leary >>>>> Aperto Networks >>>>> 813.426.4230 mobile >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>> >>>> On >>>> >>>>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism >>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:52 AM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal >>>>> >>>>> Subchannelization should help penetration a little also. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Matt<lm7...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Do you support PPPoE in the SM? Heard that MIMO helps tree >>>>>> penetration. >>>>>> >>>>>> Matt >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, but you won't pay $200 for their CPE complete and our base >>>>>>> station costs are less or similar and we are getting much better >>>>>>> uplink speed according to what I have seen so far from reports >>>>>>> about the Moto 320 so far. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Patrick Leary >>>>>>> Aperto Networks >>>>>>> 813.426.4230 mobile >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >>>>>>> >>>> boun...@wispa.org] >>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:30 AM >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think the new motorola is mimo. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Matt<lm7...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto >>>>>>>>> >>>> Networks >>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> are tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the >>>>>>>>> WISP business, so we are taking matters into our own hands. So >>>>>>>>> Aperto Networks -- the >>>>>>>>> 802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to offer the 3.65 >>>>>>>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> 5 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> GHz carrier class and commercial grade (not the residential CPE) >>>>>>>>> PM320 PacketMAX CPE for only $199 each to the WISP. Effective >>>>>>>>> immediately, the price applies to all N type CPE in either band >>>>>>>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>>>>>>> 17 dbi integrated >>>>>>>>> (3.65 GHz) and 20 dBi (5 GHz). 5 GHz with integrated 21 dBi and >>>>>>>>> 3.65 GHz >>>>>>>>> with integrated 20 dBi are $220 to the WISP. There are no packs >>>>>>>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> no minimum quantities to get this price -- buy even just one, >>>>>>>>> same price. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is there 3.65 stuff MIMO? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> --- >>>>>> --- >>>>>> --- >>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> - >>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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