The ASN is good for cellular type hand-off in the 802.16e mobility profile. It's typically very expensive. Not usually required if in a fixed application.
-Eric On 3/18/2010 2:41 PM, Randy Cosby wrote: > For us WiMAX neophytes, could you explain the ASN gateway and why it's > on your list of things you don't want? > > Randy > > > On 3/18/2010 1:37 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: > >> The same base-station company I mentioned in my previous post has done >> interoperability testing and certified 3.65 CPEs from asian vendors as >> well... >> http://www.purewavenetworks.com/Solutions/CPEPortfolio.aspx >> >> 3.65-3.675 GHz >> >> MTI >> XS-615-035M-021 >> P/N: 050-00365-25M >> >> 3.6-3.8 GHz >> >> GEMTEK >> WIXS-177 >> P/N: 050-00365-155 >> >> They are both based on the Sequans chipset which is a quite popular >> choice among asian (and some non-asian) vendors, so (besides FCC >> certification) most asian CPEs are very likely to work. >> >> That makes MIMO and beamforming available at 3.65 GHz, I guess. >> Disclaimer: I've not tested MIMO and/or beamforming at 3.65 GHz, but >> at 3.5 GHz the technology is a game changer. I've also not tested >> Purewave gear as they weren't on the market at the time of the tests, >> but their choice of not requiring an ASN gateway was on the wish-list >> I gave to all the vendors that we actually tested. >> >> >> Rubens >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Patrick Leary<ple...@apertonet.com> wrote: >> >> >>> My point stands Ruben; thanks for making it for me further. You are >>> referring to a licensed frequency of 3.5 GHz. I am referring to quasi >>> (really unlicensed from a practical standpoint) 3.65 GHz. >>> >>> I have been around the block a very long time in this business. The rude >>> fact is that the big companies don't care about this small (from a global >>> perspective) U.S. niche band of 3.65 GHz enough to put any money and >>> resources into interoperability. It is not like globally accepted (U.S. not >>> withstanding) licensed 3.5 GHz (which is still a tiny market relative to >>> Wi-Fi) and the even smaller licensed 2.5 GHz in the U.S. (or 2.3 GHz WiBRO >>> in South Korea). >>> >>> I am well compentent and authoritative enough to speak on this industry far >>> beyond the narrow confines of my company. And as I have been doing since >>> Dec 1999 when I first hit the lists, I will call BS and/or clarify market >>> misunderstanding when I see it. >>> >>> >>> Patrick Leary >>> Aperto Networks >>> 813.426.4230 mobile >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl >>> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:38 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal >>> >>> What you call a total myth (CPE x basestation interopoerability) is >>> something that I actually tested in the field with 3.5 GHz .16e, which is >>> not as popular as 2.3/2.5 WiBro/Clearwire/Yota frequencies. >>> >>> If Aperto has such interoperability issues, please talk only for Aperto, >>> not for the marketplace. >>> >>> >>> Rubens >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Patrick Leary<ple...@apertonet.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Myth. Total Myth. There is no interoperability in 3.65 GHz that allows >>>> someone to source .16e CPE from any number of "Cheap asian CPEs." That is >>>> one of the most 180 degrees wrong myths. >>>> >>>> The fact is that every vendor, regardless of the WiMAX standard, sells its >>>> own CPE precisely because the interoperability hype is total bull. >>>> >>>> What has happened is that unknowledgable people have confused the WiMAX >>>> Forum's efforts re interoperability in 2.5 GHz (limited as even that is) >>>> with it being somehow relative to other frequencies like quasi-licensed >>>> 3.65 GHz. >>>> >>>> >>>> Patrick Leary >>>> Aperto Networks >>>> 813.426.4230 mobile >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>> On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:45 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal >>>> >>>> What UBNT has shown is that one can go inexpensive alternatives and make >>>> them good products. >>>> The equivalent in WiMAX is PureWave Networks; their base station can do >>>> MIMO and beamforming and doesn't require an ASN-GW, which was the higher >>>> CAPEX for a small 802.16e deployment until they came along. >>>> >>>> Being 16e means you can have 10 MHz channels (best there is in the WiMAX >>>> world before 20 MHz 16m), MIMO, beamforming and can buy all those cheap >>>> asian CPEs instead of the vendor lock-in that happens in 16d. >>>> >>>> http://www.purewavenetworks.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rubens >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Patrick Leary<ple...@apertonet.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> 802.11 and its MIMO costs are not relevant to WiMAX and its MIMO costs. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Patrick Leary >>>>> Aperto Networks >>>>> 813.426.4230 mobile >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:17 AM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal >>>>> >>>>> Regular MIMO doesn't have to be expensive, UBNT has proven that. >>>>> More complicated forms of diversity, well, that remains to be seen. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "Patrick Leary"<ple...@apertonet.com> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:04 AM >>>>> To: "WISPA General List"<wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Indeed MIMO does help through trees according to people I trust, but >>>>>> again we default to the "but at what cost" question. We believe this >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> to >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> be especially true in more rural deployments. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Patrick Leary >>>>>> Aperto Networks >>>>>> 813.426.4230 mobile >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> On >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Behalf Of Jeremie Chism >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:52 AM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal >>>>>> >>>>>> Subchannelization should help penetration a little also. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Matt<lm7...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you support PPPoE in the SM? Heard that MIMO helps tree >>>>>>> penetration. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, but you won't pay $200 for their CPE complete and our base >>>>>>>> station costs are less or similar and we are getting much better >>>>>>>> uplink speed according to what I have seen so far from reports >>>>>>>> about the Moto 320 so far. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Patrick Leary >>>>>>>> Aperto Networks >>>>>>>> 813.426.4230 mobile >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> boun...@wispa.org] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:30 AM >>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think the new motorola is mimo. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Matt<lm7...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Networks >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> are tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the >>>>>>>>>> WISP business, so we are taking matters into our own hands. So >>>>>>>>>> Aperto Networks -- the >>>>>>>>>> 802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to offer the 3.65 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 5 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> GHz carrier class and commercial grade (not the residential CPE) >>>>>>>>>> PM320 PacketMAX CPE for only $199 each to the WISP. Effective >>>>>>>>>> immediately, the price applies to all N type CPE in either band >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 17 dbi integrated >>>>>>>>>> (3.65 GHz) and 20 dBi (5 GHz). 5 GHz with integrated 21 dBi and >>>>>>>>>> 3.65 GHz >>>>>>>>>> with integrated 20 dBi are $220 to the WISP. There are no packs >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> no minimum quantities to get this price -- buy even just one, >>>>>>>>>> same price. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is there 3.65 stuff MIMO? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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