Was it this one..? http://www.amazon.com/Single-Bulk-Intel-Server-Adapter/dp/B000BMXME8
Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Justin Wilson <li...@mtin.net> wrote: > We just bought a 2 port copper gig card for $1000+. Not sure what the > same card would cost otherwise. > -- > Justin Wilson <j...@mtin.net> > http://www.mtin.net/blog > Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support > > > > From: Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 13:27:08 -0400 > To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) > > What everyone is saying is the Cisco is not Imagestream. > > I think we can all be very very very thankful of that. > > It's an Imagestream policy not to put in third party parts. Follow it > or don't, it is your choice. > > I will like to know what the part costs from Imagestream as Newegg charges > $45. > > On 4/16/10, Eje Gustafsson <e...@wisp-router.com> wrote: > > Last I heard Cisco don't provide free firmware upgrade/warranty > especially > > on resold products unless specific IOS license is purchased with the > > reselling. > > Cisco don't provide free support period. > > > > With the myriad of PC based cards out there I don't blame IS for not > > providing warranty support on third party cards installed in their > routers. > > How do you know that card isn't a cheap knock off card. Further even if > it's > > not a knock off card maybe the revision of the card is newer or older > then > > what IS provides and have tested out to work with their software. So > should > > they then support a card they didn't make anything at all from selling > and > > that they have not tested to work in their software solution? What if > they > > came to the conclusion that specific card don't work well at all and > simply > > decided to not offer this particular card and you buy and install this > card > > in your IS router why should they support and warranty their router just > to > > track it down to a non certified third party card being installed in your > > router? If they find this IMO it wouldn't be too much to ask for > > compensation for the technical support assistance you where given on a > none > > IS product. > > > > Just like most ISPs they have their demarcation point at the Ethernet > side > > on their CPE when they provide the CPE. So if there are issues with the > > client they do testing of the Ethernet side on the CPE and if everything > > works out well and the customer want you to trouble shoot further to see > > what is wrong with their computer or router almost all ISPs I talked to > > charge for it or they go so far as provide free broadband routers that > they > > trust. I'm sure there are those that set themselves apart and will help > out > > for free especially if the client is a higher $$ client or the client has > a > > router the ISP trust in and like. > > > > I see little difference between these here. IS provide a boxed solution > that > > can be expanded. They support and warrant their products, their cards > they > > provide for the products because they know they work with their hardware > and > > their software. If it doesn't they will fix it. Where is the incentive > for > > them to fix a problem with a NIC card they didn't sell and earned any > money > > for? When they sold the router they have appropriate margin to handle > > warranty and support on that particular product. If you want another card > > you might pay a bit of a premium over a third party card but that is the > > extra you pay for the extended warranty and support to handle this > product > > as well. > > > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > / Eje > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Brad Belton > > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:13 AM > > To: 'WISPA General List' > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) > > > > I completely agree if the card installed is 3rd party and completely > > different than what Imagestream, Cisco or any OEM sells. > > > > The point is ----> If the card is exactly the same as OEM, however > being > > sourced from somewhere else other than the OEM, I don't see why the OEM > > should get their panties "all in a wad" and void the warranty on the > > product. > > > > > > Brad > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Scott Vander Dussen > > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:00 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) > > > > Gotta disagree Brad- show me the price point differences between any > > Cisco and IS that are comporable - don't forget TCO for OS upgrades > > etc. Are you suggesting Cisco provides a cheaper HW upgrade solution? > > > > This is like pulling your car into the oil change station, handing the > > guy 5 qt of your own oil that you purchased for a few bucks cheaper > > and a new air filter.. Doesn't work that way- everyone needs a > > business model that's profitable. > > > > Thanks, > > ŒS > > > > --- > > Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!) > > > > On Apr 16, 2010, at 8:50 AM, "Brad Belton" <b...@belwave.com> wrote: > > > >> I may be wrong on this, but I doubt Cisco will void your warranty if > >> you buy > >> an expansion card (exact same as you could buy from Cisco directly) > >> and > >> install it in your Cisco router. > >> > >> I'm not suggesting Imagestream should be onboard with a user > >> installing > >> something other than what Imagestream sells directly, but if the > >> card the > >> end user installs is exactly the same....what's the problem? > >> > >> Imagestream doesn't keep record of how a product was configured > >> before it > >> was sold? So, if there is an expansion card added Imagestream can > >> simply > >> say you need to remove that card before we can help you...not just > >> flat out > >> void the warranty on the entire product. > >> > >> Anyway...just an opinion. > >> > >> Brad > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > >> On > >> Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick > >> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 8:23 AM > >> To: 'WISPA General List' > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) > >> > >> How so Brad? > >> > >> We sell a complete, warranted, supported product. If you want to > >> buy the > >> pieces/parts and build your own, that's great (and I believe that > >> you do). > >> How can we warrant a product when we did not put sell all the gear > >> that went > >> in to it? If there is a product defect, how are we supposed to know > >> if it > >> is our gear or 3rd party gear that caused it? Believe me, there are > >> enough > >> variables in the process already. > >> > >> ImageStream provides a year warranty and a year of support > >> (including 24/7 > >> emergency support) with all of our routers above the little Envoy. > >> We offer > >> free lifetime software upgrades. We give a 31 Day Performance > >> Guarantee > >> with all of our routers. Is it too much to ask that all gear in the > >> box > >> come from us during that period? It's not like we charge Cisco > >> prices for > >> RAM, NICs, power supplies, etc. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Jeff > >> > >> > >> Jeff Broadwick > >> ImageStream > >> 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) > >> +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > >> On > >> Behalf Of Brad Belton > >> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 8:23 AM > >> To: 'WISPA General List' > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) > >> > >> Void the Imagestream warranty for putting the exact same card > >> Imagestream > >> installs is pretty chickenshit IMO. > >> > >> Sorry, you caught me at a bad time this morning... > >> > >> > >> Brad > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > >> On > >> Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick > >> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 7:01 AM > >> To: 'WISPA General List' > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) > >> > >> Hi All, > >> > >> I do not recommend this if your router is still under warranty/ > >> support. > >> Adding 3rd party hardware to the box will void whatever is left. > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Jeff > >> > >> > >> Jeff Broadwick > >> ImageStream > >> 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) > >> +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > >> On > >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman > >> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 11:24 PM > >> To: WISPA General List > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) > >> > >> You just saved many people hundreds or thousands :) > >> > >> On 4/15/10, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote: > >>> Yup... that's the one. > >>> > >>> Travis > >>> > >>> > >>> Josh Luthman wrote: > >>>> Maybe this one? > >>>> > >>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106036 > >>>> > >>>> Josh Luthman > >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 > >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 > >>>> 1100 Wayne St > >>>> Suite 1337 > >>>> Troy, OH 45373 > >>>> > >>>> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to > >>>> continue that counts." > >>>> --- Winston Churchill > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Tom Sharples > >>>> <tsharp...@qorvus.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Thanks guys! > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: Travis Johnson > >>>>> To: Tom Sharples ; WISPA General List > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:57 PM > >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Imagestream (was Vyatta?) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> We installed several Intel Gigabit cards in our old Imagestream and > >>>>> they worked great. They were the $40 Intel desktop cards. > >>>>> > >>>>> Travis > >>>>> Microserv > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Tom Sharples wrote: > >>>>> Just received the imagestream gateway router (vintage 2006 or so) , > >>>>> unfortunately it's equipped with 4-port T1/E1 cards, not ethernet > >>>>> cards (sigh). Does anyone know if these will work with standard > >>>>> (e.g. 3com, intel, > >>>>> whatever) 10/100 ethernet adaptors, or do we have to use a > >>>>> proprietary card? > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> > >>>>> Tom S. > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "Tom DeReggi" <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net> > >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:19 PM > >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Well, for that many NIC included, you got a steal. > >>>>> A single 4port Intel oem Gig card PCI-e costs $430 new. > >>>>> > >>>>> (Actually that is probably not true, cause its probably an older > >>>>> model that doesn't have PCI-E nic cards.) > >>>>> > >>>>> Tom DeReggi > >>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > >>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "Tom Sharples" <tsharp...@qorvus.com> > >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:10 AM > >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I picked up the Gateway model, equipped with nine 4-port ethernet > >>>>> expansion boards, for $625 on Ebay. Seems like a good deal altho I > >>>>> don't know what this model costs new with the added ports. Way more > >>>>> than we really need. > >>>>> I'm > >>>>> looking forward to trying it out tho. > >>>>> > >>>>> Tom S. > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > >>>>> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:57 PM > >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vyatta? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Call support and they can fix your ImageStream issues. Need to > >>>>> push > >>>>> a little bit and use the phone. To this day I've not had a > >>>>> response > >>>>> to my emails without a phone call. > >>>>> > >>>>> On 4/6/10, Scott Lambert <lamb...@lambertfam.org> wrote: > >>>>> On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 11:37:54PM -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: > >>>>> I really think you'll love ImageStream... > >>>>> I don't mind the three living ImageStream TransPort routers we > >>>>> inherited. Once I changed the editor to default to vi, I was > >>>>> pretty > >>>>> happy. > >>>>> > >>>>> I am not much of a fan of the interface configuration, though it is > >>>>> currently more flexible and transparent than pfSense for multiple > >>>>> subnets on the same interface. The shellcmd plugin lets me have a > >>>>> GUI to get around the current inadaquacy of the interface > >>>>> configuration GUI of pfSense 1.2.3. > >>>>> > >>>>> I do find that I will make a change to the default route on the > >>>>> Interface Configuration file; it will reload sand; and I will have > >>>>> to go to bash and route delete default, route add default gateway > >>>>> newip manually. Or, I will put a new subnet on an interface and > >>>>> can't get OSPFd to talk on that interface until I reboot the box. > >>>>> > >>>>> Just stopping and starting OSPFd didn't work. I don't know if that > >>>>> is an indication that I have bad hardware or what. Using suspect > >>>>> gear for your first experience with a platform is probably not the > >>>>> best situation for figuring out what is what. The other 4 > >>>>> inherited > >>>>> TransPorts all have one or more blown ethernet ports so I haven't > >>>>> been able to use them. I can't point to anything on the other > >>>>> three > >>>>> that screams "I'm busted." > >>>>> > >>>>> Having to reboot is really annoying. Having to use the shell to > >>>>> manually apply desired configuration changes, annoying, but at > >>>>> least > >>>>> they give me the tools to do it. :-) I like flexibility. > >>>>> > >>>>> The biggest problem I have with going whole hog for the > >>>>> ImageStreams > >>>>> is, it would take me much longer to train guys to run the > >>>>> ImageStreams than it will take to train them to run pfSense. The > >>>>> secondary problem is cost : > >>>>> > >>>>> pfSense on Alix: $204 3 eth > >>>>> pfSense on soekris: $275-350 4 eth > >>>>> > >>>>> ImageStream on TransPort: $900 new 4 eth > >>>>> $600 e-bay. 3 eth > >>>>> > >>>>> We only do about 20 to 30 Mbps where I will have these deployed. > >>>>> More horsepower would be wasted. The BGP running pfSense box is a > >>>>> bit beefier than the Alix boxes, but didn't quite cost as much as a > >>>>> new TransPort. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Scott Lambert > >>>>> <lamb...@lambertfam.org>wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 07:52:41PM -0400, Glenn Kelley wrote: > >>>>> Scott > >>>>> > >>>>> One limitation currently with BGP is you cannot have more than 1 > >>>>> peer. > >>>>> I am awaiting that fix myself. > >>>>> In the GUI anyway. > >>>>> > >>>>> 1. mount -u -w / > >>>>> > >>>>> 2. vi config file > >>>>> > >>>>> 3. Don't change the config in the gui again until it gets updated > >>>>> to > >>>>> handle more peers. > >>>>> > >>>>> That's why I love pfSense, if the GUI doesn't support it, I can > >>>>> still make it work. > >>>>> > >>>>> I only need one peer for now. The only reason it needs to speak > >>>>> BGP > >>>>> is so I can announce a subset of our ARIN space to the transit > >>>>> provider. > >>>>> > >>>>> I've been tempted to just pkg_add quagga. But my long term goal is > >>>>> to not be the only guy here who can manage the network. > >>>>> > >>>>> I love PFSENSE - Chris has done an awesome job on that > >>>>> project. > >>>>> Durn tootin'. Chris and that other Scott, and Ermal > >>>>> and . . . > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Scott Lambert KC5MLE Unix > >>>>> SysAdmin > >>>>> lamb...@lambertfam.org > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> --- > >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> ------------ > >>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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