I've never heard of anyone actually getting hit like that.

I know far more that work the system.

My neighbor asked if she could put me down as someone she applied with.  She 
wanted to say that she asked me every week.

Pissed me off.  She works at a school district.  She KNEW she'd be laid off 
when summer came.  And it turns out she's got some farm ground out there. 
So she has an income outside of it.  She keeps her trailer on my dad's 
ground for FREE, no real expenses.

Oh yeah, the next fall she bought a brand new car.

The enforcement is a joke and everyone knows it.
marlon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ryan Spott" <rsp...@cspott.com>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids


I think that is why it does run out eventually.

The unemployment office (at least in WA State) WILL audit your job-search
logs showing that he was *applying* for at least 3 jobs a week. It may take
them a while to get to you, but they can even audit them YEARS after you get
a job and are off unemployment.

The fines/fees/interest and penalties are stiff. I have a buddy of mine that
did not fill out 4 weeks of job-search logs (he was screwing off), 2 years
after the fact, they came after him for almost 3 times what he received in
benefits. The collection was easy. They just garnished his wages.... 75% of
them for a few weeks.

ryan

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Marlon K. Schafer 
<o...@odessaoffice.com>wrote:

> I've talked to more people out here of late that aren't even trying to get
> a
> job.  They get paid minimum wage on unemployment so why bother going to
> work
> for McDonalds or anything else as an interim job.
>
> What a joke.
> marlon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ryan Spott" <rsp...@cspott.com>
> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
>
>
> Yes, it depends on what you put in.
>
> Remember that unemployment is generally what you put in, to a point. The
> extensions that the feds put out are actually loans to your state that get
> paid back via unemployment taxes that you pay later.
>
> The system works as a basic safety net. I don't mind it.. I just sweat 
> when
> I am on it.
>
> ryan
>
> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Josh Luthman
> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>wrote:
>
> > Unemployment is dependent on your previous job from what I understand.
>  He
> > was in the Marines.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
> continue
> > that counts.”
> > --- Winston Churchill
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Ryan Spott <rsp...@cspott.com> wrote:
> >
> > > How much is unemployment in OH?
> > >
> > > I max out here at 33% of my "normal" salary. I tell you I sweat and
> > > sweat
> > > trying to pick up my next gig.
> > >
> > > ryan
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Josh Luthman
> > > <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>wrote:
> > >
> > > > My roommate is on unemployment.  How do you feel "it sucks"?
> > > >
> > > > He goes to school ~12 hours a week and gets paid more then I take 
> > > > for
> > > > salary
> > > > with tuition paid.
> > > >
> > > > Josh Luthman
> > > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > > Suite 1337
> > > > Troy, OH 45373
> > > >
> > > > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
> > > continue
> > > > that counts.”
> > > > --- Winston Churchill
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Ryan Spott <rsp...@cspott.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Obviously you have never been on unemployment.
> > > > >
> > > > > It sucks.
> > > > >
> > > > > ryan
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
> k...@wavelinc.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100
> > > > > weeks....
> > > > > > Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kurt Fankhauser
> > > > > > WAVELINC
> > > > > > P.O. Box 126
> > > > > > Bucyrus, OH 44820
> > > > > > 419-562-6405
> > > > > > www.wavelinc.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:
> > wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> > > > On
> > > > > > Behalf Of RickG
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM
> > > > > > To: WISPA General List
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset 
> > > > > > was
> > > > dated!
> > > > > > Just come help with the "family business" and I'll make sure you
> > eat,
> > > > > > have a place to sleep, & get a percentage of the profits :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman
> > > > > > <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > What would my allowance be with no chores?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Another big thing...I never got an allowance.  I worked for my
> > > money
> > > > > > > (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > IMO it's crap.  Giving a child money to do what is expected
> > > > > > > (help
> > > > > > > cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense.  Both
> my
> > > > > > > parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn
> > food
> > > > and
> > > > > > > a bed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 4/19/10, RickG <rgunder...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> Can I adopt you? :)
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman
> > > > > > >> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >>> Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids.  This is my personal
> > point
> > > > of
> > > > > > view.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the 
> > > > > > >>> basic
> > > > > things).
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> I have never done any drugs.  Been offered and been around
> > > > > > >>> them
> > > > more
> > > > > > then
> > > > > > >>> enough.  Never smoked a cigarette in my life.  Never drank
> > until
> > > I
> > > > > > >>> was...very close to 21.  Never got in any trouble at school.
> >  My
> > > > > first
> > > > > > job
> > > > > > >>> led to the second job/career I have today.  I enjoy my life,
> > the
> > > > > people
> > > > > > >>> around me and the things I have.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> My partner has 3 teenage girls.  He is extremely strict. 
> > > > > > >>> One
> > of
> > > > them
> > > > > > gets
> > > > > > >>> in to trouble, disobeys, does "wrong" things, etc.  A friend
> I
> > > had
> > > > in
> > > > > > high
> > > > > > >>> school was in the same position.  I know where that person's
> > life
> > > > > > stands
> > > > > > >>> today and I would say we could all agree it's not what we
> > > > > > >>> hoped
> > > our
> > > > > > lives
> > > > > > >>> would be at 23 or 24.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> I'm not judging how you or anyone parent, but rather just
> > > providing
> > > > > you
> > > > > > >>> with
> > > > > > >>> my experiences, my results and my facts.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Take the above for as much as you paid for it =)
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Josh Luthman
> > > > > > >>> Office: 937-552-2340
> > > > > > >>> Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > > > > >>> 1100 Wayne St
> > > > > > >>> Suite 1337
> > > > > > >>> Troy, OH 45373
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the
> courage
> > to
> > > > > > continue
> > > > > > >>> that counts.”
> > > > > > >>> --- Winston Churchill
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:26 PM, RickG <rgunder...@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> Josh, I truly enjoy your posts regarding wireless but but I
> > > > disagree
> > > > > > >>>> with this. Its not about trust. We are all human and make
> > > > mistakes,
> > > > > > >>>> especially kids. As parents, we are not to assume our kids
> > > > > > >>>> are
> > > > > > >>>> perfect. Therefore, we SHOULD expect them to do things that
> > may
> > > > hurt
> > > > > > >>>> or be bad for them. The best thing to do is error on the
> side
> > of
> > > > > > >>>> safety, within reason. Just my opinion.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman
> > > > > > >>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>> > Trust your kids and they will trust you back.
> > > > > > >>>> >
> > > > > > >>>> > Josh Luthman
> > > > > > >>>> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > > > > >>>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > > > > >>>> > 1100 Wayne St
> > > > > > >>>> > Suite 1337
> > > > > > >>>> > Troy, OH 45373
> > > > > > >>>> >
> > > > > > >>>> > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the
> > courage
> > > > to
> > > > > > >>>> continue
> > > > > > >>>> > that counts.”
> > > > > > >>>> > --- Winston Churchill
> > > > > > >>>> >
> > > > > > >>>> >
> > > > > > >>>> > On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger <
> > > > > > pa...@hrec.coop
> > > > > > >>>> >wrote:
> > > > > > >>>> >
> > > > > > >>>> >> I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was
> some
> > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > >>>> >> at
> > > > > > >>>> a
> > > > > > >>>> >> workshop I was at recently.
> > > > > > >>>> >>
> > > > > > >>>> >> How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The
> brand
> > > that
> > > > > was
> > > > > > >>>> >> discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you
> > > > intercept
> > > > > > all
> > > > > > >>>> those
> > > > > > >>>> >> sorts of things.
> > > > > > >>>> >>
> > > > > > >>>> >> -Paul
> > > > > > >>>> >>
> > > > > > >>>> >> On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> > > > > > >>>> >>
> > > > > > >>>> >> > Hi All,
> > > > > > >>>> >> >
> > > > > > >>>> >> > Here's the scenario.  My kids are expressly forbidden
> > from
> > > > > having
> > > > > > >>>> email
> > > > > > >>>> >> > addresses outside my domain.  They are forbidden from
> > > having
> > > > > > >>>> >> > myspace,
> > > > > > >>>> >> > facebook etc. sites.
> > > > > > >>>> >> >
> > > > > > >>>> >> > If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that
> *I*
> > > can
> > > > > > check
> > > > > > >>>> >> > on.
> > > > > > >>>> >> >
> > > > > > >>>> >> > If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a 
> > > > > > >>>> >> > real
> > one
> > > > > that
> > > > > > *I*
> > > > > > >>>> can
> > > > > > >>>> >> > delete things from.
> > > > > > >>>> >> >
> > > > > > >>>> >> > I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on 
> > > > > > >>>> >> > the
> > > > > internet
> > > > > > >>>> >> > that
> > > > > > >>>> >> might
> > > > > > >>>> >> > bite them in the butt later.  The days of people
> > eventually
> > > > > > >>>> >> > forgetting
> > > > > > >>>> >> the
> > > > > > >>>> >> > stupidity of youth or passion are long gone.
> > > > > > >>>> >> >
> > > > > > >>>> >> > Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account.  He used
> a
> > > > > hotmail
> > > > > > >>>> >> > email
> > > > > > >>>> >> > address to get it.  He had permission to use neither 
> > > > > > >>>> >> > of
> > > them.
> > > > >  I
> > > > > > >>>> finally
> > > > > > >>>> >> > found out about the myspace account and went in to
> check
> > > out
> > > > > what
> > > > > > >>>> >> > he'd
> > > > > > >>>> >> been
> > > > > > >>>> >> > saying.  His trash and sent messages had both been
> > > > > > >>>> >> > erased
> > > > > between
> > > > > > >>>> >> > when
> > > > > > >>>> I
> > > > > > >>>> >> got
> > > > > > >>>> >> > the password out of him and when I had time to check 
> > > > > > >>>> >> > on
> > it.
> > > >  (I
> > > > > > >>>> >> > didn't
> > > > > > >>>> >> know
> > > > > > >>>> >> > that his zune, a video player!!!! would ALSO allow him
> > > > > > >>>> >> > to
> > > get
> > > > > on
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > >>>> net
> > > > > > >>>> >> and
> > > > > > >>>> >> > work on his page, talk to his friends etc.  deep sigh)
> > > > > > >>>> >> >
> > > > > > >>>> >> > So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked
> > > > > > >>>> >> > for
> > > all
> > > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > >>>> >> deleted
> > > > > > >>>> >> > information.  I explained that I was the father of a
> > minor
> > > > and
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > >>>> >> > he
> > > > > > >>>> >> had
> > > > > > >>>> >> > no permission to use their site and I wanted to know
> > > > > > >>>> >> > what
> > > was
> > > > > > being
> > > > > > >>>> >> hidden
> > > > > > >>>> >> > from me.  I gave my full name AND phone number as well
> > > > > > >>>> >> > as
> > > my
> > > > > > email
> > > > > > >>>> >> address.
> > > > > > >>>> >> >
> > > > > > >>>> >> > They were very good about contacting me quickly about
> > this
> > > > > issue.
> > > > > > >>>> >>  However
> > > > > > >>>> >> > they flatly refused to provide me with any
> > information!!!!!
> > > > >  They
> > > > > > >>>> >> > had
> > > > > > >>>> NO
> > > > > > >>>> >> > proof of age etc. on the account.  Nothing to verify
> > > > > > >>>> >> > that
> > > the
> > > > > > child
> > > > > > >>>> was
> > > > > > >>>> >> over
> > > > > > >>>> >> > 18 etc.  And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from
> > accessing
> > > > the
> > > > > > >>>> >> > account
> > > > > > >>>> >> > information!  "go get it from your teen" is basically
> > what
> > > I
> > > > > was
> > > > > > >>>> >> > told.
> > > > > > >>>> >> >
> > > > > > >>>> >> > WTF is this???????  Absolutly amazing.
> > > > > > >>>> >> >
> > > > > > >>>> >> > So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or
> > control
> > > > > your
> > > > > > >>>> >> > kids
> > > > > > >>>> >> these
> > > > > > >>>> >> > days?
> > > > > > >>>> >> >
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> > > > > > >>>> >> > marlon
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> > > > > > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > > > > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > > > > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > > > > > Suite 1337
> > > > > > > Troy, OH 45373
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > continue that counts.”
> > > > > > > --- Winston Churchill
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