BOB My office is next to yours - basically...
In your part of the country? Are you serious? Let me ask a silly question - if those in "our" part of the country were to read this message thread - what do you think they would say? In regards to domestically - there are tons that protect our freedoms. But the 4th is about the Birth of a Nation. I seriously think your opinion here is Jacked. And thats just my opinion. We can agree to disagree - and we can also agree to agree that there is more to our freedoms than the military. Anyhow - since the WISPA list is not for this kind of discussion - feel free to hit me up in person - via email etc. Bottom line - lets keep the politics for the WISPA list to be about 1 thing - the politics that surround being a WISP. My apologies to the group for going down this path bob - we can continue - just hit me off list - so we don't break the list rules and both loose our freedom of posting here ;-) On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:54 PM, Robert West wrote: > Ah, but it's not just the military that protects us. The military > protects > us on the foreign front but what about the domestic? Think about > that. Who > protects your freedoms here? Not the military. I have 100% respect > for the > military, many of family members were in the military. But again, who > protects you HERE? We all do, as a collective. You see, there are > 2 parts > to this. Foreign and domestic. In my part of the country, it's all > military with no mention of regular Americans who stand up and take > it. > Hijacked, as in only one side being represented. If we have no > defense of > the Constitution and our freedoms domestically, then what? Who is > here to > protect you? > > That's what I'm saying. There is more to our freedoms than the > military. > We are the protection. All of us. Together. > > How can anyone argue with that? > > > Bob- > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:42 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! > > Bob, I hope my previous post didnt come off negatively as it was not > meant > to be that way. I'm just hoping your thoughts about the military are > more > positive no matter how much you hear about them tomororow or any > other day. > While its a wonderful thought to give all priority, isnt that like > saying we > should all get prioirity parking when the handicap places take up > the first > row? I'm not sure that works. > Furhtermore, there are plenty of people in the country who dont > deserve it. > At any rate, my main point is that I dont think the fourth was > hijacked by > the military but rather WE (US) chose to honor them on on > Independence Day > because if it werent for THEM it wouldnt exist and the right to > celebrate it > wouldnt exist either. So, they earned everything coming to them on a > silver > platter. As for me and many others, we have done nothing and do > nothing to > deserve the honor. > BTW: We should only worship GOD as the good book says. > <off the soapbox> > God bless the USA and everyone in it! > > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Robert West <robert.w...@just-micro.com > > > wrote: >> We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are >> condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all >> across this country yet the numbers are greater than those at >> Arlington. No one should have priority, we are all Americans and >> Americans equally. The fourth is for all of us, we should worship no >> one but ourselves and our country as a collective. In my mind >> anyhow. >> Besides, the military have their own holidays of being worshiped. >> We need > to know our own importance. >> Me, you, us, Rickeesha...... >> >> Bob- >> >> >> >> . >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On Behalf Of RickG >> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! >> >> Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, >> only >> one group has offered and continues to offer the "ultimate >> sacrifice". >> Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They >> didn't >> just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity >> to >> serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave >> markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just >> because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get >> priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny >> and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. >> >> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West >> <robert.w...@just-micro.com> >> wrote: >>> Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, >>> unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth >>> being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to >>> be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at >>> least >>> we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The >>> military really isn't the point of it. >>> >>> But............ It's how things have become. Sorry to open the >>> door >>> to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the >>> military pisses me off. >>> >>> MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not >> military. >>> The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military......... As >>> well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to >>> stand up and say "Enough!" with total disregard to their personal >>> safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to >>> lay down their life in the military, that I will say "Thank You" to >>> on the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military >>> is for the protection of the people, not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin >>> was able to stand in front of a tank of the Russian army and demand >>> "NO MORE", >> are we to possess less of an opportunity? >>> No. >>> >>> Thank You. >>> Thank You. >>> Thank You. >>> >>> Thank you to US. ALL OF US! >>> >>> WE ROCK! >>> >>> Now go grill some steaks and get drunk. I'll be working. >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On Behalf Of RickG >>> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:55 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! >>> >>> Everyone please have a safe & sane 4th! >>> >>> - Personal Liberty Digest - http://www.personalliberty.com - >>> >>> They Signed For Us >>> Posted By Chip Wood On July 2, 2010 @ 12:01 am In Chip Wood, >>> Liberty, >>> Personal Liberty Articles | 53 Comments >>> >>> Happy Anniversary To Us >>> >>> Tomorrow will mark a full year of Straight Talk columns for Personal >>> Liberty Digest™. How time flies when you’re having fun! As many of >>> you know, I also write two other, shorter features for Personal >>> Liberty Digest™ every week—Chip Shots, which appears at the bottom >>> of >>> Friday’s columns, and This Week in History, which appears at the >>> bottom of >> Wednesday’s. >>> >>> As it happens, my very first piece for Personal Liberty Digest™ was >>> about the incredible men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and >>> their sacred honor to secure liberty for us. So it seems only >>> appropriate to repeat that message again today, as we prepare to >>> celebrate >> our 234th Independence Day. >>> Happy July 4! >>> >>> Every schoolchild in America knows why we celebrate the Fourth of >>> July. >>> Flags and fireworks commemorate the day we declared our independence >>> from Britain. >>> >>> On July 4, 1776, after months of heated debate, representatives of >>> the Continental Congress voted unanimously that, “These United >>> Colonies are and of right ought to be Free and Independent States.” >>> >>> Thirteen colonies voted to become something new in history—the >>> United >>> States of America. Now, all they had to do was win their >>> independence >>> from a government that would consider them traitors. >>> >>> Fifty-six men bravely affixed their signatures to the Declaration of >>> Independence. What sort of men were they? And what became of them? >>> >>> Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists, 11 were merchants and nine >>> were >>> farmers or plantation owners. They were well-educated men of means. >>> All of them had a great deal to lose when they voted to defy what >>> was >>> then the most powerful nation on earth. Yet they willingly risked >>> everything when they pledged to each other “our Lives, our Fortunes, >>> and >> our sacred Honor.” >>> >>> As I said, all of us can explain why we celebrate Independence Day >>> on >>> July 4th. But how many of us can name even a handful of the signers >>> of the Declaration of Independence? How much do we know, really, >>> about the men who risked their lives and everything they owned in >>> the >>> cause of >> freedom? >>> >>> Because the story of the signers is so inspiring, we’ve arranged a >>> special treat for you today—a free copy of a wonderful little book >>> called They Signed For Us. >>> >>> Half a century ago two patriotic ladies in the Midwest wanted to >>> help >>> others learn more about the remarkable men who signed the >>> Declaration. >>> Merle Sinclair and Annabel Douglas McArthur wrote a delightful book >>> about the events of that time, including a history of each of the >>> signers. They called it, They Signed For Us. >>> >>> At the end of today’s column, you’ll find a link that will take you >>> to a free copy of the book. You may read it online or download it >>> and >>> print your own copy. The file also includes a list of all of the >>> signers and the states they represented, plus the complete text of >>> the >> Declaration of Independence. >>> >>> To whet your appetite a bit, here’s an excerpt from They Signed >>> For Us. >>> >>> “SUDDENLY THE BIG BELL in the State House steeple pealed joyously. >>> The appointed signal! Cheers rose from the waiting crowds. >>> >>> “‘Proclaim liberty throughout the land….’ >>> >>> “Cannon boomed, drums rolled. Church bells rang, sounding the death >>> knell of British domination! >>> >>> “News of the adoption of the Declaration of Independence spread like >>> wildfire. Ready messengers leaped into their saddles to ride and >>> spread the word. The Declaration had been ordered printed on a >>> single >>> large sheet, >>> ‘45.5 x 37.5 cm.,’ or approximately 18 inches by 15 inches. These >>> broadsides were distributed with all possible speed, to be read in >>> the provincial assemblies, pulpits, market places, and army camps.” >>> >>> The story continues: >>> >>> “On July 8, the Liberty Bell summoned citizens of Philadelphia to >>> the >>> State House yard for a public reading of the document. Colonel John >>> Nixon mounted a high platform and spoke the noble lines in a strong, >>> clear voice. The crowd, now hushed, listened intently throughout. >>> >>> “ ‘…for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the >>> protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other >>> our >>> Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.’” >>> >>> It was almost a month later that the Declaration was engrossed on >>> parchment and ready for signing by the delegates to the Continental >>> Congress. Members gathered on Aug. 2 for the ceremony. >>> >>> The only person who had signed the Declaration on July 4 was John >>> Hancock, a delegate from Boston who had been elected president of >>> the >>> Continental Congress. He wrote his signature in large, bold letters >>> and as he did, in a reference to the near-sightedness of the British >>> king, >> he declared, “There! >>> John Bull can read my name without spectacles and may now double his >>> reward of £500 for my head. That is my defiance.” >>> >>> As the delegates gathered around a desk to sign the Declaration, >>> William Emery, one of the representatives from Rhode Island, moved >>> as >>> close as he could. “I was determined to see how they all looked as >>> they signed what might be their death warrants,” he later wrote. “I >>> placed myself beside the secretary, Charles Thomson, and eyed each >>> closely as he affixed his name to the document. Undaunted resolution >>> was >> displayed on every countenance.” >>> >>> Contrasting with Hancock’s confident signature was the shaky scratch >>> of Stephen Hopkins from Rhode Island. Hopkins was the second-oldest >>> signer and suffered from palsy. As he handed the quill to the next >>> person, he valiantly proclaimed, “My hand trembles, but my heart >>> does >> not!” >>> >>> As one or two delegates hung back, seemingly reluctant to add their >>> signatures to such a momentous declaration, John Hancock >>> encouraged them. >>> “We must be unanimous,” he said. “There must be no pulling different > ways. >>> We must all hang together.” >>> >>> Legend has it that Benjamin Franklin replied, “Yes, we must all hang >>> together. Or most assuredly, we shall all hang separately.” >>> >>> Happily, none of the signers was hanged by the British. But all of >>> them were considered traitors to the Crown. And many of them >>> suffered >>> terribly for the cause they so ardently supported. >>> >>> When New Jersey signer Richard Stockton returned to his home after >>> signing the Declaration he learned that British troops were coming >>> to >>> arrest him. He fled to a neighbor’s house with his wife and >>> children. >>> But a Loyalist (as supporters of the British cause were called) >>> betrayed the family’s hiding place. Here is how Merle Sinclair and >>> Annabel Douglas McArthur describe what happened to him: >>> >>> “The judge was dragged from bed and beaten, then thrown into prison. >>> This distinguished jurist, who had worn the handsome robes of a >>> colonial court, now shivered in a common jail, abused and all but > starved. >>> >>> “A shocked Congress arranged for his parole. Invalided by the harsh >>> treatment he had received, he returned to [his home at] Morven to >>> find his furniture and clothing burned, his fine horses stolen, and >>> his library—one of the finest private collections in the >>> country—completely destroyed. The hiding place of exquisite family >>> silver, hastily buried, had been betrayed by a servant. >>> >>> “The Stockton’s were so destitute that they had to accept charity. >>> For the judge’s fortune was gone, too. He had pledged it and his >>> life >>> to his country. He lost both. He did not live to see the >>> Revolution won.” >>> >>> John Morton, a delegate from Pennsylvania, was the first of the >>> signers to die. His last words for his family, before his death in >>> April 1777 (just eight months after he signed the Declaration), >>> were, >>> “…tell them that they will live to see the hour when they shall >>> acknowledge it to have been the most glorious service I ever >>> rendered >>> to >> my country.” >>> >>> The following month Button Gwinnett, the commander in chief of >>> Georgia’s militia, was badly wounded in a duel with a political >>> opponent. He died a few days later—the second signer to die. >>> >>> But by and large, the signers of the Declaration of Independence >>> were >>> a hardy bunch. Three of them lived until their 90s—a remarkable >>> accomplishment in a time when most men did not see their 50th >>> birthday. >>> >>> Only two of the signers were bachelors. Sixteen of them married >>> twice. >>> Records indicate that at least two, and perhaps as many as six, were >>> childless. But the other 50 signers were a prolific lot, having a >>> total of >>> 325 children between them! William Ellerey of Rhode Island had 17 >>> children; Roger Sherman of Connecticut had 15. >>> >>> Fifty years after the united colonies declared their independence >>> from Britain, plans were made for jubilant celebrations on July 4, >>> 1826. >>> Only three of the original signers were still alive—Charles Carroll, >>> Thomas Jefferson and John Adams. Here is how Sinclair and McArthur >>> describe what occurred that day: >>> >>> “In a dramatic climax that even their agile minds would not have >>> contemplated, these two principals in the struggle for Independence >>> left the nation awestricken and touched, by dying hours apart on the >> Fourth of July. >>> Jefferson died at one o’clock in the afternoon, Adams toward >>> evening.” >>> >>> Ten days earlier Jefferson had written the mayor of Washington, >>> expressing his regret that ill health prevented him from coming to >>> the nation’s new Capitol to join the festivities. >>> >>> “I should, indeed, with peculiar delight, have met… with the small >>> band, the remnant of that host of worthies, who joined with us on >>> that day, in the bold and doubtful election we were to make for our >>> country, between the submission or the sword.” >>> >>> And he concluded by writing, “Let the annual return of this day >>> forever refresh our recollection of these rights, and an >>> undiminished >>> devotion to them.” >>> >>> As part of that “undiminished devotion,” we are delighted to provide >>> you with a free copy of They Signed For Us. Please click here >>> [1]for it. >>> >>> And please share this copy of Straight Talk with others you know so >>> they may enjoy it as well. Just forward this column with a short >>> note >>> urging them to read about the incredibly brave patriots who won our >>> freedom for us when They Signed For Us. >>> >>> Until next time, keep some powder dry. >>> >>> —Chip Wood >>> >>> Related Posts >>> >>> Eating Certain Cheeses May Help Boost Immunity Among The Elderly [2] >>> Jim Rogers’ quarrel with CNBC [3] Lung patients may benefit from >>> lifestyle changes, research shows [4] Obama Lays Out Job Creation >>> Strategy, Fires Back At Political Foes [5] Gold Quietly Marshalling >>> Strength [6] Article printed from Personal Liberty Digest: >>> http://www.personalliberty.com >>> >>> URL to article: >>> http://www.personalliberty.com/liberty/they-signed-for-us-2/ >>> >>> URLs in this post: >>> >>> [1] click here : >>> http://www.personalliberty.com/straighttalk/bonus/ >>> TheySignedForUs.pdf >>> [2] Eating Certain Cheeses May Help Boost Immunity Among The >>> Elderly : >>> http://www.personalliberty.com/news/eating-certain-cheeses-may- >>> help-b >>> o >>> ost-im >>> munity-among-the-elderly-19782624/ >>> [3] Jim Rogers’ quarrel with CNBC: >>> http://www.personalliberty.com/feature-video/jim-rogers-quarrel- >>> with- >>> c nbc/ [4] Lung patients may benefit from lifestyle changes, >>> research >>> shows : >>> http://www.personalliberty.com/news/lung-patients-may-benefit-from- >>> li >>> f >>> estyle >>> -changes-research-shows-19256879/ >>> [5] Obama Lays Out Job Creation Strategy, Fires Back At Political >>> Foes: >>> http://www.personalliberty.com/news/obama-lays-out-job-creation- >>> strat >>> e >>> gy-fir >>> es-back-at-political-foes-19502330/ >>> [6] Gold Quietly Marshalling Strength: >>> http://www.personalliberty.com/preserving-wealth/gold-quietly- >>> marshal >>> l >>> ing-st >>> rength/ >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> - >>> ------ >>> ---- >>> WISPA Wants You! 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