Where we have seen a difference in value of equipment is in the failure/repair 
rate.  Ours is horrible.  The success or failure of build-em-yourself radios 
depends GREATLY on the quality of the install/installer (we have alot of 
StarOS, alot of weatherproofing tape, alot of pigtails, alot of jumpers).  

With UBNT, we are hoping to get a good balance between price of CPE and reduce 
the chance of carelessness costing us a service call down the road.  For 
instance, I used Tranzeo for a while (a couple hundred of them - integrated 
antenna models), and those CPE either worked or died, but never had install 
quality problems.

So, there is value in equipment if it facilitates easy quick installs and 
doesn't require a service call later because of a stupid pigtail not being 
connected to the radio quite right.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Faisal Imtiaz 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 10:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT thoughts


  Those prices are crazy... yes.. but the are here and I believe that they will 
stay like this for a while.. AT&T is fighting to  compensate for it's declining 
business in phone lines. and Comcast is eagerly looking to eat AT&T's lunch.

  I agree with you about sticking with Moto if and when they come thru.. but 
you will also have to calculate your ROI..

  I don't understand your comment about Moto having sync and same Throughput as 
UBNT MIMO ? ... are you referring to PMP430 ... I thought that was 802.11n & 
MIMO as well. Would love to hear some comparison for feedback on the PMP430....

  The links we are putting up are capable of doing 30-75meg (tcp thruput) in 
20mhz channel and about  60-150meg (tcp thuput) in 40mhz channel. The gear is 
cheap.. so we are choosing to build towers/pop  to service a 5mile radius tops. 
The trick is to use the dual polarity antennas (from UBNT) and with the "M" 
radios, rather than trying to hack some sort of a hybird.. (there are folks who 
are doing that for transition purposes). The equipment is in-expensive... so 
why do an "Omni" ..... I am not so worried about the plastic radios, I am also 
not looking for them to last 10 years either... 

  So far, we have not seen any issues in running VOIP on these links either... 
but then again, we are not needing to put 200 subs on a single AP either.

  For right now, they are a great "tool" in the tool bag, until someone else 
steps up to the plate. So far all of the other MIMO, 802.11n radio producers 
have offered rather expensive PTP solutions only... It is hard to figure out it 
is worth it to pay an extra $1500 or $2000 per link for another mfg's MIMO PTP 
solution vs UBNT. Time will tell.... meanwhile for us.. have to use what is 
available...

  Supposedly, Firing up UBNT Radios with Airmax on them, gives a lot of grief 
to Moto Canopy.... and  I am very much interested to see how their 802.11n 
implementation on 900mhz performs.... what they are showing on their spec 
sheets is definetly making everyone shake their heads and say... " I really 
want to see that to believe it.." ...we will find in out about 45 days when the 
radios become available in the US.

  Loosely speaking, don't let anyone tell you that there is value in Equipment, 
I have a backroom full of $150,000(each)Redback Routers which are not worth 
$1500each any more....For a WISP or ISP the value is purely in the subscriber 
base.... there is some intrinsic value in equipment, to the degree that can be 
leveraged to add more revenue generating services......


  Regards.


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net

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