I would agree - it for sure is not all adapters. 

Another alternative is to run a simple stunnel service for your clients 

On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

>> ALL VOIP Adapters & Phones, Do not like Double Natting....
> 
> Absolutely not true.  I personally have many SPA2100 (same thing as
> spa2102 or pap2t-na in this discussion) that go:
> 
> Public ip -> IS Rebel, nat 1 -> customer radio, nat 2 -> customer soho
> router, nat 3 -> ATA
> 
> It is more dependent on your voice gateway then it is the ATA, in my
> experience.  Asterisk wouldn't work at all.  Genband has been flawless
> since July 2006.  The phone room has a dozen of these little adapters
> and we've never had problems with them, only issue was a customer had
> some cheap phone and needed to replace it.
> 
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> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Glenn Kelley <gl...@hostmedic.com> wrote:
>> I think it is time to perhaps subnet them and give them a /29
>> a /30 might work as well - but thinking /29 would simply be much more
>> friendly
>> Than simply allow them to use the equipment up to as a router (depending on
>> your equipment this may not be possible)
>> nat on nat on Nat is really stinky
>> 
>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> 
>> They are natting three times at the customer site?!  Get them closer
>> to your network, I'm sure at least one of those routers is causing
>> hell.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Martha Huizenga <mar...@dcaccess.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Voice quality. It breaks up. I will have to ask if they can hear me alright.
>> 
>> I had trouble with understanding them.
>> 
>> Update: they have two vonage boxes (two phone lines). Neither are off the
>> 
>> main router. all the routers (three) are hard wired together.
>> 
>> Martha
>> 
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>> On 8/19/2010 11:24 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>> 
>> What problems are they having. Is it voice quality, incoming voice, outgoing
>> 
>> voice, no dial tone.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Martha Huizenga <mar...@dcaccess.net> wrote:
>> 
>> hi all,
>> 
>> We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office was
>> 
>> somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the vonage box and one for
>> 
>> Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage house the set up is as
>> 
>> follows:
>> 
>> Antenna on the roof comes into the house to a router. Then that router is
>> 
>> connected to another repeater in the carriage house that is connected to the
>> 
>> Vonage box.
>> 
>> I am thinking this is too many hops for Vonage? But hoping someone else has
>> 
>> a better understanding of this.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Martha
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