You wouldn't connect to NetFlix, but to LimeLight, Akamai, or Level3. This is where multiple WISPs buying bandwidth in aggregate helps out. Could WISPs with bigger (gig+) pipes let us know what percentage of your traffic goes to ASNs 20940 and 22822?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/16/2010 4:07 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: >> AT&T/Verizion/WISPS >> should be aggressively targeting Comcast subscribers with much better >> rates, and peering with L3/Netflix everywhere. >> >> This is what an ASN and your own IP space buys you. >> > Well thats part of the problem. Do we really have that option? > > L3 and Netflix often deny peering requests from smaller operators. They dont > let us play, and dont always allow us the option to share in the savings. > So what do you think NetFlix's mentality is.... If we were to want to > interconnect.... Would they ask us to eat the cost to build out to them, or > would they eat the csot to build out to us, or would we share the csot and > meet in the middle? Everyone thinks they are more valluable than the small > local provider, and the small local provider usually gets leveraged into > paying the cost to interconnect. Why shouldn't WISPs have peering > relationships direct with NetFlix, where either party pays the other for > having higher push traffic? Why are we not worthy to be the recipient of > compinsation in peering? > > Dont misunderstand me, I do not mean to stereo type and I am not saying for > sure that NetFlix or any content provider aren't willing to peer or talk > about fair terms. I'm just saying, who's in control of whether it will > occur? > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL& Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles N Wyble"<char...@knownelement.com> > To: "WISPA General List"<wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:48 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 12/14/2010 11:29 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: >>> Oldest trick in the book, attach a position to an ideological word that >>> people cant disagree with. Who can disagree with "freedom". >>> >>> Little does the public know they are supporting a position that could >>> reduce freedom and possibly even destroy their freedom of choice, as they >>> signon to positition that will reduce speeds, increase costs, reduce >>> investment, and destroy small competitive providers. >>> >>> Freedom really means no regulation, so providers can have the freedom to >>> build networks without unnecessary beurocracy and burdens. >>> Freedom to allow people to build businesses based without strings >>> attached. >> Um.... no regulation? Really? So if I build out a large cable plant I >> can charge whatever I want, deny access to people, sue anyone who tries >> to compete into the ground, not upgrade my infrastructure and provide >> best effort 911 service? >> >> I know that many in the operations community oppose regulation, but it's >> a two edged sword. >> >> >>> Ironically, Google is one of the largest advocates of NEtNEutrality but >>> yet one of the largeset threats to freedom. NetNEutrality is best >>> purposed to stop abuse of power by those with market power. I'd argue >>> Google has majority market power beyond that of any single access >>> provider. Google has more eyeballs and and steers Internet traffic more >>> than any other entity. >>> >>> What would happen if we made a "Save the Small Provider, the real Open >>> Internet" or "Vote Content Neutrality not NetNeutrality for an Open >>> Internet" would it get a top indexing on search engines? Or would the >>> "Save the INternet" Pro NetNEutrality get the top Indexing? >>> >>> Google has the power allow consumers to see the point of view of content >>> providers, but to prevent their access to view Access provider's point of >>> view. >>> On a critical vote week like this week, Google has power to censor what >>> consumers can find and have access to. What preventing Google from doing >>> that right now, and compromising our Free country? >> Google is an advertising company. A very successful one. Having done >> extensive work in the advertising industry, I can tell you that >> censorship is the least of your worries. The threats to freedom come >> from the amount of information that is collected and collated on >> individuals and used to target advertising. >> >> Yes they possess extensive capabilities to support their distribution >> channel. Yes that channel is getting more and more extensive on a >> regular basis (search/maps/mail/mobile/tv). >> >> They have an open peering policy. They actively encourage people to peer >> with them and work out the best traffic engineering policies. >> >> How many folks here have peered with google and built TE policies? I >> know of at least one WISP that has. I have worked for organizations that >> exchanged massive amounts of traffic with google/microsoft and other >> large brands. >> >> There is a massive amount of things that happen behind the scenes, when >> you move from the access to distribution layer. Most people that speak >> publicly in the operations community are at the access layer (running >> eyeball networks). Very few people from the content >> provider/distribution space speak publicly. I am limited in what I can >> say, as I'm bound by various NDA. However I can say that the content >> providers and eye ball networks are interested in working out a good >> deal for everyone because of all the interdependencies in the digital >> asset supply chain. (Comcast being the obvious exception). >> >> >> Now I am of the impression that we need to have some regulation. It >> needs to let us run our networks in the best way possible. That means >> everything from traffic shaping on our customer facing links, to >> whatever traffic engineering policies we deem necessary to improve the >> bottom line. >> >> Also WISPS do need to be recognized (at a national level) as wireline >> replacement. We should not be lumped in with the JOKE that is "mobile >> broadband ^H^H^H toy broadband". >> >>> What makes content providers a better steward of Freedom than Access >>> providers? >> Take a look at the supply chain sometime. The market will dictate self >> regulation. It's only when people like Comcast get greedy and have a >> monopoly, that things get nasty. At that point it is my opinion that the >> market rapidly steps in and shuts out that player. AT&T/Verizion/WISPS >> should be aggressively targeting Comcast subscribers with much better >> rates, and peering with L3/Netflix everywhere. >> >> This is what an ASN and your own IP space buys you. >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ >> >> iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNCRuDAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAt9LEP/3bsR6dcyXUVBTGIF6kM++pA >> 5pg+vEqL0G5d6i+XR1DvDs+SlfILOfdSWsv3oRFSN/AHmopznq/2lB4AR/9SMqZs >> fdntkaB2wiuQBbAFeZUhXxJkKo8i/3hFzFLfzKApfTA0I6NoD3uUpO4kbzLFjMsq >> 17SJAN2RX9RxhmNTayyPnpb4Fj+otX4/NukWMB2da04k6f04jP1ok5uuAQOFErMm >> O6yi+KOVycp432LecNrVsHXwYHLdR0flpqfy8++SZ1M04aluUhCU8d8MUrU4Y96d >> af8aVkptymdb8oBNo8MLBGpQuBcn6tLym6UIDVjqUEsuTAvZh7JAu9TQ1mXSAyqN >> gTIO8jF7L2alBcbSDYpzjsRV/mvlwm/lj/EnrJq1wo8+uT+LC0ZIyZU+1oPwhuLR >> ffoZ9wh1QogCq+8UF2Zw7XCW9T1ID4zaUgy5m7PJaLOBlKVWl9Fa/7JOOxB5HPmX >> Uqx71CDjh/7DKYKErPjHz+/fDBLqS81PtfWln3Viy0Egr1X/LN3/NOJA+TP6lu8g >> qjrD1YzG8boGbzDEKS7Ov8svMA3koZK6R9w2Er8Omnvd5P64zImFKvDavnRwn0Oe >> 9as0/AhsjzghPBUtUqYUs9ur7U32bq3UvnpaKeATbQamgTrEwDBlp0EDo4qDGArX >> 0B/AMypZz/MCxQb2rlNx >> =Gg3m >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> WISPA Wants You! 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